I've been in need of a pair of black shoes . I was watching the 'Chap' gush over Loakes and had to have a pair. He loves 1880s. I searched ebay for a while but nothing until last week. What seemed to be a brand-new pair of wingtips (my favorite) but in L1 edition which is a lower step from the 1880s (still goodyear welded). New, the L1 is above $350. These were listed at $180. I offered $100. I think maybe they were worn once for 5 minutes because of a slight scuff on the sole of one. They fit great. Can't wait to care for them and, of course, show them off when I wear them!