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Helping Baddies with business
Is it a good idea to help out the baddies that I meet with my business knowledge of AI and automation with their business endeavors? Will this enhance authentic desire or turn me into beta provider?
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You can absolutely help them, but make sure you help them because you truly wanna help their business, not because they're baddies. If you only do it because they're baddies, then you're showing intent, they will pick up on that, and that can turn out bad. So don't end up simping for them: make sure that it's a roughly equal value exchange.
Paying Ladies vs. Paying For Your Ladies?
There’s a story here, the moral of which ultimately is, shut up and fix your fucking Instagram. But some of it may be helpful to fellow early-stage folks here. And it led me to a question I want to run by you. Tomorrow, I’m off to get a haircut. I go to a local hairdresser, woman-run and staffed. Been going to them since I moved into the area in March 2024. I’m on first name basis with most of the staff and the lady who runs the salon has been trying to set me up with local ladies for a little bit, so if I have any female team mates at the moment, they’re her (I did make sure to tell her recently that while I'm always happy to meet someone new, I'm sticking to keeping things platonic for now). A while ago, I had the idea of doing an Instagram thing with her and the girls at the salon, and after I got stuck into OMD last week, the idea occurred again – I mean, I get along with most of the girls and my regular dresser, and it’d be good social media marketing practice, so why not? The salon owner doesn't mind, and it might be a way to get some preselection. Thankfully, the counter-idea that I’m their customer and not a friend with whom they’re choosing to hang out with, especially in the salon, put a needle to that mental balloon today. Sartain says over and over again that he never pays the girls at his events and in his photos to spend time in his company, and I realised that I don’t want a whiff of transaction anywhere near a preselection photo. (So lay the ground to let pre-sel occur organically by developing the “mogul” archetype in your IG grid right now, Rob.) One thing did occur to me, though. As I currently understand, when pre-selection occurs, we never pay the girls to be there or pay their way into a party; at most, we use the power of bringing a group of girls to an event to get us all in the door and potentially a round or two of drinks. We should not be aiming to go near “provider” mode unless and until we (after a good while of friend-zone social interaction) decide to Ask A Girl Out (and they say yes).
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I think the concept of not paying for women's time refers to not buying access to events/setting up paid contracts to make them show up. The reason why that's important is because doing so would make the relationship transactional. That's okay if you do it for business purposes, but it's hard and risky to turn that into a genuine friendship. It is okay to "take care of" the meal expenses after she's already shown compliance by showing up, because you (hopefully) didn't initiate the interaction by asking "wanna go out for dinner? I'll pay". That would be giving sugar daddy vibes. In a nutshell, you never offer payment up front, because you want her to show compliance by showing up as a friend or acquaintance, not as an employee or contractor. Afterwards, you can safely reward her compliance by covering the expenses (though I wouldn't do this too often to avoid setting unrealistic expectations or a precedent).
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How do yall handle people coming to you being like “I see you messgaed a ton of people I know” or “why am I getting messages from ppl saying you hittin them up” or “why would you want a bunch of ppl u don’t know coming”?
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You don't need to defend yourself, but if they demand an answer, you could just say something neutral like "I invited them in case they want to come". Don't try to appease them or apologize.
Birthday party
It’s my birthday today and last night I invited a ton of people both people I knew and a bunch of other people I never met to come bowling and then hit the club with us (I have a table) and I got a few confirmations from dudes and a couple from girls I knew, but a lot of the girls I didn’t know would respond with “no” or “do ik you” or they were interested but they had school. Additionally, I also used my old Instagram account that wasn’t entirely ‘fixed’ so that may have contributed. I was wondering if you guys think this was too low of a funnel of an event to be inviting people I’ve never met or was more of an instagram thing (that Instagram shows decent access in my highlights but I only have one carousel photo on the grid)?
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Absolutely too low for anyone who isn't close to you yet. Always keep in mind that you should invite strangers only to events that actually gets them value. Your birthday isn't valuable in that way yet (it can be, once you have high status). Otherwise, they likely won't show up because they can get more value elsewhere.
Do These Count For Preselection Photos
Did some cold approaching last night. I know that mystery says to practice 4 hours a night, but I get socially tired after an 1 and a half hours (chatting and banter, etc.). How do you guys build up to 3 to 4 hours?
Do These Count For Preselection Photos
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@Phil Dave from a quick glance, it's not clear in the second photo that they're looking at you. I thought they looked at each other in confusion. Only after carefully checking their eyes, did I detect that they actually looked at you through their corners.
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@Phil Dave yes, much better!
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