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Again found a refutation of Miss Lily Jay

I am no Christian but found a Christian commenting. Ahh, Lily (and the chorus of Islamic apologists echoing the same tired lines)—how many times do we have to patiently dismantle these same objections before you stop recycling them? Your videos rack up views by speed-talking through half-truths, ignoring context, mangling Greek, and holding Christianity to a microscope while giving Islam a free pass. Let's go deeper and expose why these claims collapse under basic scrutiny. ❌1.“Others were worshiped too” – the classic false equivalence on proskuneō Yes, the Greek word proskuneō can mean "bow down" or "do homage" in secular or political contexts (like Joseph's brothers in Genesis or the wise men to earthly kings). But context is everything—and Islamic polemicists love stripping it away. When mere humans receive it, it's never divine adoration, and it's never accepted as such without rebuke (e.g., Peter refuses it in Acts 10:25–26; angels refuse it in Revelation).But Jesus repeatedly accepts it as divine: Matthew 14:33 – After walking on water, the disciples proskuneō Him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” No correction from Jesus. Matthew 28:9, 17 – Post-resurrection, the women and disciples worship Him—He accepts it. John 20:28 – Thomas declares, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus doesn't say, “Don't call me that—I'm just a prophet.” He blesses belief in it. No Old Testament prophet, no angel, no one else ever accepts post-resurrection divine worship without rebuke. If Jesus were merely a prophet (as Islam insists), why didn't He stop them like Peter did? Why accept what only God deserves? This isn't ambiguity—it's blatant divine claim. ❌2.John 10:30 (“I and the Father are one”) vs. John 17:21 – category error 101 You equate Jesus' ontological oneness with the Father to His prayer for believers' "oneness." Nice try, but it's apples and oranges. In John 17:21–23, "one" means unity of purpose, love, and mission—believers sharing in relational harmony, not becoming divine essence. If it meant essence, then all Christians would be God—something even the most zealous Muslim da'wah worker would reject as absurd.