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What's the one classical piece that genuinely moves you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvYYXHpEcGE&list=RDdvYYXHpEcGE&start_radio=1 When listening to this piece, one word kept coming back to me. Riveting. If you got any - post them below
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@Jilly Galili https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=gL41ihxeTh0&si=4O36zeOtE2tGGquD
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@Francesco Dell'Anna https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=yJpJ8REjvqo&si=svPU0oO0XAXnsop7 Im listening to this. After this ill listen to yours🙏❤️🫡
A "few" rotten apples
In today's discussion I rambled a bit. The basis of the ramble is the following thought experiment - If you have a basket of 100 apples and I tell you 5 of them will explode if touched, how can you live with this basket in your house? The fact is no one will live in a house where there is even this small percent of imminent danger. Post revolution, these people go back to the shadows. Armin's poignant response highlighted that adherence to Islamic way of life will be seen as taboo, hypothetically asking out loud "Still, after all this, you still act this way?" (Thinking of seeing a woman wearing hijab in post revolution Iran). Armin adds that security will be tight and there will be monitoring in place etc. Still though. These people won't be gone, their ideology may be emboldened. As Armin hinted, they claim some sort of armageddon event as part of their prophecy (Seems odd to even put in writing) so it's possible their belief will be emboldened by the fall of the regime. Another point by Armin was that the regime isn't extreme enough for the extra extremists (Read: The geniuses). One major cause to having these people around is having smart people who know death is finite convince idiots that 'after death' given certain 'achievements' they will be 'rewarded'. It's possible these people played too many arcade games where you get a score of how well you did when after the "Game over" screen. Another option is that these people and their rotten view of the world will migrate from Iran to their new home in the UK, or wherever else that is yet unmarred by the long term effects of Islam on society. And, as if to prove my point, Armin analyzes a chant for hardcore believers in the joint stream with Goldie Link - https://x.com/gghamari/status/2016651101970248065 Armin addresses the connection of the lyrics to the Quran. Armin also noted that this is an old video since the mention of the 'Crescent' of power included Syria which has theoretically fallen (Excuse me for not joining the bandwagon of "This new guy from ISIS is gonna be better").
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What is not controllable? Bad apples. What is controllable? The way a country educates its citizens, and the way a country deals with "bad apples". Evil only flourishes when good lets it flourish. Evil is the absence of good — that sentence is super true. Usually the good is more passive, good doesn't like to destroy evil. But when evil is in power, it is very active — smashing and destroying everything. So in my opinion, to deal with these bad apples, we need to act more and bring down the hammer of justice on these mofos. For that we need to agree on a moral frame first but thats a whole diffrent topic. Thank you for reading ❤️
just curious
is there are new models of iranian money? (like without khameinis face on it)
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This could be a fun project to do. Just like writing the new constitution. Its better if we take initiative about these things. Who knows what will happen , but its good to have a vision of exactly what we want in a new Iran.
Is pain evil?
If you answered yes - explain why If you answered no - explain why
Is pain evil?
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@Dani Spivak Let me clarify where we're talking past each other. When I said "your evaluation of reality IS reality" - I wasn't saying children don't experience pain. I was saying your label "unnecessary" is a human judgment, not a cosmic fact. You perceive it as purposeless. That doesn't make it purposeless. You're treating your perception as the thing itself. On tractability: I'm not saying we can't answer ANY questions. "Is cruelty for its own sake evil?" - yes, answerable. "Did this specific suffering serve a purpose in the totality of existence?" - not answerable. Not because we're stupid. Because the question requires tracing a causal web we don't have access to. On the house pets: let me give you a harder case. The Holocaust. Six million. Children in gas chambers. If my position can survive that, it survives burning pets. Here's what I hold: I don't know why those children died. I don't. And I won't pretend I do. The greatest Jewish philosophers - the ones who wrestled with this 800 years ago - also admitted they couldn't fully explain innocent suffering. They didn't conclude God was evil. They concluded their understanding had limits. I stand with them. "I don't know" is not "there is no reason." I'm at the limits of what a human can see. So are you. The difference is I admit it. On your revised conclusion: notice you've moved. First it was "an omnipotent omniscient God can't exist." Now it's "He could exist, just doesn't care." That's a different argument. And I'd say: if you can't have depth without the possibility of pain, then a God who creates a world with pain IS a God who cares - about something bigger than comfort.
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@Dani Spivak How can I say cruelty for its own sake is evil? Because I can judge human motives. A man torturing animals for fun vs. a vet causing pain to heal. Intent is visible. What I cannot judge is God's motive. Not because I'm dodging the question, but because God, by definition, cannot be fully grasped by human beings. We know our limitations. Claiming to evaluate the purposes of an infinite being with a finite mind isn't humility. It's the opposite. It sounds like you are saying my position is unfalsifiable, but you are not getting it. "Did this pain exist?" is answerable. "Was this specific pain purposeless in the totality of existence?" is not. You'd need to trace every consequence through time. You can't. Your claim that this specific suffering is "unnecessary" is equally unfalsifiable. You say my position makes no predictions. Let's test that with the hardest case: the Holocaust. Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26 predict: if Israel abandons the covenant, they will be scattered, persecuted, hunted to near extinction. Not vague. Specific. Every empire that tried to destroy us is gone. We're still here. The Holocaust fits a pattern the Torah laid out millennia before. I don't know why a child in China suffers. But Jewish suffering? Predicted. Not random. Consequence. Now, from where I stand in my research, here's the prophecy that blew me away the most. Leviticus 26:32: וַהֲשִׁמּוֹתִי אֲנִי אֶת־הָאָרֶץ וְשָׁמְמוּ עָלֶיהָ אֹיְבֵיכֶם הַיֹּשְׁבִים בָּהּ "I will make the land desolate, and your enemies who settle in it will be desolate upon it." Pliny (77 CE): "Engedi, second only to Jerusalem in fertility... now a heap of ashes." Nachmanides (1267): "Since we left it, it has not accepted any nation or people, and they all try to settle it but none succeeds." Mark Twain (1867): "Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes." Yes, there were periods where specific places flourished. Jerusalem had functioning markets under early Islamic rule. But we're talking about a trend across the entire land over 2,000 years. And this is an incredibly difficult prophecy to make. Israel sits at the crossroads of three continents. Empires fought over it for millennia. It should have been a prize. Instead, it sat barren, waiting. Suddenly Jews return to rule. green, fertile, swamps got drained, booming economy exporting billions.
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@Dani Spivak @Kurt Hannemann @DuckDodgerz Anonymous @Shauna Starcher @Sam Lewis look at the instegram post that dani shared. look at the comments in hebrew. read them. everyone is disguisted. this is another reason we are not the same as muslims. everyone says "this is fucked up to use children remove this video NOW" in hebrew. and its real accounts not bots, instegram is super strong in Israel. 🙏 . (ontop of this, as dani said. this is most probably a fake video)
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