@Julia Baker Real life honest threads like yours, are so refreshing, and thankfully, quite common in this group. A group of real people living real lives and experiencing real issues and finding what works for them. In the low carb group, the phrase ‘addicted to carbs’, was bandied about most weeks. You don’t need carbs, you only need meat water and salt. If need was the core of that particular philosophy, why did those who ran it and contributed to it, wear make up and hair gel? Why weren’t they dressed in basic smocks? Are they addicted to clothes or value vanity and image over practicality? The young lad Michal would regularly espouse, ‘food is for fuel not for pleasure’, whilst presenting a posed image in his profile. Muscle is for functional strength, not for aesthetics or vanity. Utter nonsense. Everyone has a narrative, a set of rules and morals, emotions, needs, wants and aspirations. Life is not practical. We are not our ancestors. Native Americans ate the stomach contents of animals when they were starving. The children would vomit repeatedly when they first ate the foul matter. They were then made to eat their own vomit until they were able to tolerate anything to stay alive. Thats ancestral eating. Food is like sex, you don’t have to require it to desire it. I don’t believe that anybody has not got an emotional attachment to food in one degree or another. I for one, no more require a label on my diet than I require or desire a label on my clothes. Imagine lying on your death bed and having only one regret, ‘if only I’d just eaten meat and salt and only drank filtered water, how much more fulfilling and joyous my life would have been’. I so miss @Lucy Seabrooke. I’m sure that she would have added some amazing philosophical words here. I hope you find what you seek very soon .