Love it. The combination from the two make the escape very high percentage. Another thing ran into was when grabbing the elbow people would stuff the arm between the legs. Because they no longer have the control but can use that position grabbing the elbow to stuff the arm. Curious if you have explored this ? Or what ur doing to prevent it @James Driskill .

@James Driskill once elbow is on ground game over for sure. Your out. Will be cool to check this out tomorrow.

@Thomas Strathearn it looks like blocking the elbow to roll them over is a critical piece to establishing the position. I would try to take this away. One thing I am trying to work on is turtle on your knees is not a position. Will explore this move this weekend and see what come up with. But if you get into it looks like a nasty position with lots of submission options.

@Rick Kelly unfortunately I do not know an escape from there. Rather than the answer I hate which is don’t end up there 😂

@James Driskill you got a video of you exploring this could share ?

@Mark Hance keep us posted how it works.

Thank you.

@Mark Hance 👍

Watch the detail at the 1 minute mark. See the connection to the back of the head and how can off balance them. This will make the grip break easier.