Hi @Elmer Feick Jr.. I'm a bike fitter in Australia and I use the balance method as a guide to determining ideal saddle setback with most road cyclists. Stronger cyclists or those seeking a more extreme aero position may be exceptions. But I still wouldn't ever use KOPS. KOPS has never had any basis in science. It's merely cycling folklore. Someone used it once and it kinda worked and was then accepted as quick and dirty way to assure customers that their saddle position was 'about right'. It will work for some people, but it's luck, not science. Just like ball of foot over pedal spindle, which places the centre of pressure under the shoe beneath a sensitive and anatomically unstable part of the foot. Keith Bontrager, no less, shot the KOPS myth down nearly 30 years ago, but it refuses to go away, and is often perpetuated by bike shops and some bike fit 'systems'. This article on the old Sheldon Brown website contains Keith's thoughts The Myth of K.O.P.S. Regardless of the method used, femur length, torso and arm length, upper body weight, range of motion restrictions, injury, quads versus glute and hamstring engagement, etc, all need to be considered when determining ideal saddle fore/aft position. The key benefits of the balance method are to ensure a more appropriate weight distribution that can benefit handling, and help to reduce pressure on the hands. Once established, I ask clients about quad versus glute and hamstring engagement and look at torso, shoulder and arm posture to refine setback in conjunction with changes to the front end of the bike to adjust reach where necessary.