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Using Discipline to end suffering
I had an insight regarding discipline today. Normally I think of discipline as something I use to accomplish something new. But today I realized discipline isn't limited to "something I can't do yet". Discipline can also be used to STOP doing something I am already doing that's just causing mischief and suffering. A habit of mind that comes from a bottom line belief, backed by an assumption, usually about me. I can hold a vigil. Notice the habit whenever it comes up. I can learn to be a grown-up and just stop doing it. And I can contemplate the bottom line if it's super strong and just won't go away. All of this takes discipline. In case you're all wondering, the habit I have that I'm now working on is social (of course!). It's where I try to be "helpful" to others by offering advice, then I feel hurt or disappointed when my advice is rejected or dismissed in some way. Then I fester and obsess over it for days afterwards. It always passes, but then something else always takes its place. Maybe some of you have something like this going on as well. Somehow knowing I can bring discipline to this problem has already changed my relationship to the matter. I am committed to ending this type of suffering.
2 likes • 19d
I can absolutely relate and have something similar going on. I have a tendency of mind to obsess on various things and get all tense, but I grasp my activity in it that I'm the one doing it, but the real kicker that I'm learning is the discipline to stop doing it. Discipline seems a complete necessity to overcome challenges like these, or even to question these various self "beliefs" cuz we're so busy making sure those needs get met. Metaphorically speaking, although this may miss the mark in some ways, the discipline is like the car moving along the road pushing you forward, and the understanding of "what to do," or the consciousness in the matter is like the road. Even if you have an idea where to push your attention or actions it won't get you ANYWHERE if you don't follow through. Then somewhere along the lines discipline becomes more natural, and eventually we develop, well, discipline. It is actually awesome to have when you get going. It gets you the good stuff
1 like • 15d
Another idea that hit me this morning is immediate, fast, powerful shifts of mind. We might think of discipline just as something that has to take a lot of "time" to work a "process," but sometimes it may also look like an immediate, big shift of mind into something new or different. https://youtu.be/dSK1wGkdeT8?si=eTTv7nghL7YC4vfA
Ease of questioning
All, I'm starting to have an insight on the act of questioning itself. And it's not a complex "process." It's not a hard thing "to do." It seems about as natural as choosing to look to the left or right, close or far. It's the really WANTING TO KNOW that will "unfog" this whole category, the "trick." The challenge or the obstacle that gets in the way really seems to be our "certainty," or beliefs, or even our SELVES. What we deem as important to us or necessary that we cling to that reduces our openness. Because being in the FACE of something not known, it appears natural to wonder and question. Put your attention on it. Huh, what is that? Why is that? And it just so happens, in a genuine experience of this moment there's shit we don't know and aren't clear on, so it's useful to ground our attention HERE, not elsewhere, and be honest, genuine, and open. And the secret to question funny enough is WANT to know, experience that you actually DON'T know
0 likes • 20d
I want to go further on that "even our SELVES" thing. I'm starting to think, at least when beginning consciousness work, that is THE barrier. It's all of our "attachments" and beliefs and stuff and yada yada yada. Even without thinking it. We're caught up in this act of maintaining ourselves by everything we identify with or think we need to do and we feel driven to keep that up. Even just EASING UP on that can be a powerful experience in seeing how dominated, even without realizing it, we are by these "unconscious drives." To be able to step down from this pillar of our "selves" and embrace the not knowing pushes our experience closer to what's true, and even through this more authentic experience an act of genuine questioning becomes POSSIBLE, because without that, I think, our questioning becomes little more than more ways to try to justify or empower our already existing sense of self or the way we've ALREADY GOT things.
CREATING ENTHUSIASM
In order to become enthusiastic about doing something, I have to create an expectation of some kind of a reward upon completion of a task: emotional, material, etc., Would it make me incomplete? Can one be complete and enthusiastic about doing something at the same time?
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Here's some of my thoughts, Usually how we get enthusiasm is like creating some kind of goodies to attain, essentially creating a concept of a goodie that I'm going to attain, essentially, I create a thought that gets me enthusiastic. Now, that thought could essentially be anything, doesn't matter. Consider it the variable x, y, or z. Essentially, what you did, was have a thought that you created and got enthusiastic about it. You, with nobody's help, created enthusiasm. Even if you didn't realize it. Now, as for being 'complete' In that how we've done the completion exercises, I'd imagine being complete doesn't have to go against that in any way. It's just another thing. It is what it is. You can be complete with the experience of having that whole dynamic go on. It doesn't have to mean anything or be bad in any way
How the geography affects identity
This question has been dwelling in my mind for a long time. In a subconscious attempt to be accepted by peers or family, you might find yourself acting out roles. It may be a smaller follow-up to the question “Who am I?”, but still, I believe there is value in contemplating it.
0 likes • Aug 8
@Hamza Awadh Your geographic location results in minor consequences for doing what exactly?
1 like • Aug 11
@Hamza Awadh I would wager your actual ability to question things would be the same in most if not any culture. Good beliefs or bad beliefs are still beliefs to be gotten over. Blue and red are both still colors. Every culture has their beliefs it seems. However, DEFINITELY some cultures are more okay with openly questioning their systems or other people than others. Some cultures would probably kill you for doing that
Meaning
Just noticing and how much I'm creating narratives onto 'objective reality' which actually isn't. Like I create contraction and suffering by so much unnecessary layers and 'mind projections' rather than remaining present with what is, immediate and already 'knowing' and trusting what do... This week I'm trying to be more balanced in remaining appropriate to the task and purpose (especially at work) rather than engaging in dramas almost everyone seems to indulge in. Interested to hear about your experience of how much meaning is added and the effects this activity has. What happens when you take away meaning, stories and narratives? What occurs when you add back all the meaning, judgements, opinions etc.? I'm looking outside my window right now... When I add meaning and narrative judgement to things, there seems to be a contracting quality, as if mind wandering to what's next...next...next... as if looking for problems (related to me! of course) with a buzzing low-level suffering. When I remove meaning, everything is more open, calm and fascinating. My experience seems freer like I've stopped tensing or 'holding the doorknob' when the door is already opened! Below is the quote from Ralston: 'In our daily experience, probably the most palpable evidence of our drive to self-persist can be found in the “meaning” we perceive in everything. Our survival-needs demand that the world we perceive be divided into positive and negative, and so every object, person, circumstance, or idea will automatically include a charge of some kind. Of course, we make many other distinctions as well, but one of the first assessments we make is whether something is threatening or benign. After that, it’s about determining the specific risk or value the thing has to our particular self, and what we should do about it.'
2 likes • Aug 10
I've definitely noticed I have a sort of unfolding "drama" going on where I'm the "main character" as if struggling through life and attempting to "win" and have "destiny" or "meaningful experiences." One thing about releasing all the meaning is that it feels hugely relieving in social scenarios. I mean if you really think about it ALL pain aside from probably physical pain comes FROM this meaning! Without it there's no "oh, I'm a jerk" or "I'm a pussy." Or whatever. I can't say I've completely shut it off, honestly to do that 100% seems almost impossible, but the dynamic can definitely have a different "frame," if you will. Instead of having experience so self-dominated, there can be a more selfless one and it seems that that "machine" or "system" of interpreting and adding meaning won't produce as much bullshit. Might be more objective and interpretive if you will rather than reactive and vulnerable. At least to my understanding
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