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Formless Openess
Hey all, I just had a realization that is a bit strange to put into words, but is true nevertheless, and it's that true openness has no form. As in, there isn't any thing to do. Nothing requires being done as if. These are all things that occupy attention and mind, but real openness doesn't show up as absence. It doesn't really show up as anything at all except for what might "show up as a result of openness." Even making statements such at "un-attatchedness" refer to something "substantial," like "not doing the other stuff" or not doing the stuff that we call "closed," but what really is openess? It doesn't really seem to take any form at all. As in there isn't any "thing" or "action" that we could call openness. It's more like a blank piece of paper, or the empty space in which an object can exist.
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@Robert David Basically what I'm trying to say that I probably could have said in far less words is that the actual "form" of openness isn't any particular thing or activity, so ANY thing could take place or show up as a result of openness. If we confuse it for the feelings or thoughts we engage in when creating it, that could limit our scope into a rote activity, limiting the depth and power of our degree of openness I'm not trying to say there is no way to create openness at all. Also not even trying to say that there's no way to engage in it. But it seems like our end is more like "removing" than "building something new" up. And with openess anything new can show up, and as we can be open to any "form" or thing in our experience in oder to "contemplate" it. If it was another "form" or thing within experience, you think it'd be pretty weird to contemplate "with that," huh? Get what I'm trying to say? Also, I appreciate you for taking the time to respond. I genuinely like to have someone to discuss with if need be for some good depth of mutual investigation on some topic. Not trying to only agree or farm likes 👍
Clarification needed on Controlling and stopping thoughts
I am reading Peters Unnecessary suffering book as well as I watched numerous of his latest Youtube talks and podcasts and I attended the recent online workshop; I keep hearing him mention the importance of controlling your thoughts. He usually explains this to mean just stop your thought. Stop doing the thought. There was one youtube video recently a month or so back where someone asked him what does he mean by that and if its like letting go of thoughts versus actually mentally stopping it and Peter said yes. Im now confused because in the book and other media he says to actually try to stop any further thoughts from popping up. To me stopping a thought and letting go of thoughts are two very different things, because the former involves me doing an activity (the stopping of a thought). and usually requires my concentration. The former results in silence for a brief second but its more mentally taxing and the thoughts can come back louder whereas the latter involves a more-so "non-doing", like in vipassana, it involves me not reacting to the thought in my head and remaining equanimous. The thought doesnt stop but sometimes i feel like im less controlled by it. Basically, I need some clarification on this topic. Thanks.
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(Student here.) First thing I want to address is that the more actually conscious you are on the matter that you are engaging in creating the thought, and so suffering, the easier it is to understand what he's trying to say, and doing it will look more like be the act of actually doing it, rather than trying to repeat something you heard about, so questioning if it looks like A or B starts to look irrelevant unless you're trying to put it into words. Like you don't need to question what wiggling your toes looks like because you already know how to do it. Describing "how to to it" might seem a bit strange to anyone with working feet As for "how" to become conscious of that, the only thing I think i can say in this regard is be completely honest with yourself and don't withhold ANYTHING. Be willing to be wrong, watch your most cherished ideas and fantasies go away, uncertain, and open up to what is most present for you independent of your own creation, even if what you're investigating involves such creation. Now, as for whether it looks like "stopping a thought" or "letting go of a thought," I would say, in my personal opinion, so you can take this with a grain of salt, mind you, that the actual ACT of doing the thing feels more like letting go of the thought, but sometimes, and this is just for me, there may be an impulse to keep doing it again, and that could look like "stopping the thought," or committing to cutting the shit. But hey, even being able to have that dilemma most likely means you're at least aware on some level that you ARE creating and engaging in the thought! So that's actually good news
Considerations of integrity
Hey, This is more of a "casual" kind of inquiry, anyone feel free to hop in, I just thought I'd share a real experiential consideration I'm beggining to actually contemplate called integrity. As an experience, what does that look like? Maybe it's easier to look at what NOT integrity is, and use that as a model to better help understand what alternative is, and if it's happening within us. I'd wager, from my own personal perspective, integrity can be described as one part not fighting against another. No disintegration. To become whole. No "split" in consciousness between one aspect and another. But the big thing is, what are REALLY the consequences, of having versus not having integrity? I'd say first off, obviously, is a certain kind of lack of self honesty that can go on. You literally have the one aspect, what your most genuine sense or observation of what is actually going on or true about anything, and if we have a SPLIT in our integrity, then you start to turn away" from that, as if. You literally have a split between "what is true," in your most honest perspective, and "whatever you're trying to do." Your "perceptions" or activities are not aligned with your Most honest perceptions or awareness, as goofy as that sounds. Then obviously, in your life, you lose an ability to be in touch with what you want or what you're trying to do. You know, the whole "I don't know what I want to do with my life" or "lacking motivation" thing. You have on the one hand this idea of something you want to attain, but then on the other you wanna sit on your ass. A spit. There's this misalignment that can come along, a "confused awareness" when a being is less "whole," if that makes sense. If you really want that, why aren't you working for it? Maybe you WANT to sit on your ass but don't admit that to yourself. Or maybe there's a more complex thing happening you need to be more honest with yourself enough to find out. And the big thing, I swear to God, is that this shit is really not moral. Seems more like a "fact" or principle. No a "system," just seems like when things are out of whack or "misaligned," shit is bound to happen.
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@Robert David I feel like you're getting into something when you wonder the purpose inner dialogue I think one example of integrity could be when the inner and outer dialogue match. Your internal state gets connected with the experience of others, and you more genuinely experience them and they you. That's good example of it in social world. Somewhere it shows up and can have serious positive effect. I think there also can be integrity within ourselves, a kind of clearness that happens when aspects of being, minds and goals are not at warring with one another. The whole thing works in one effective piece and there's less suffering. I think a lot of suffering arrives from that in one way shape or form Now I can imagine these at the same time. Inner & outer, whole, unity. Seems like it might be a pretty free and more powerful, effective experience
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@Diego Arzola That's a really good point actually. What we "say" seems to come from what we think, and the experiences we have, so, if we can only speak from what is true for us and what we experience or have to be true, then the depth of our word or communication will depend on the depth of our experience. And if we experience things in a deeper way, the word we spoke will be deep and more true, in my mind, without even needing to focus so hard on it. Like something Peter said, (and this isn't quotes,) by saying it, it's already done, in a way
4 Principles Workshop
This one day event was very useful. At 68 years of age, I'm not going to quit my job and leave my wife for 8 months to be an apprentice. I am fascinated by the idea of that level of immersion but I won't do it. That's why this one day dive into "4 principles" was so welcome. I felt I got a glimpse of what the apprenticeship program is about (which may or may not be true). I had several insights regarding my dishonesty with myself, how un-aligned with my goals I have been and most importantly, my practice of dropping out when achieving a goal gets difficult. It became clear to me for the first time HOW I get in my way. Kudos to Corentin (I hope I spelled the name correctly) who led the workshop. I'm impressed and grateful. The work with Cheng Hsin has changed how I live and operate in the world.
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That workshop did kick ass. I'm actually left with some stuff to reflect upon in the rest of my life and am noticing that when you dive into the considerations of the principles they are actually deeper than little "techniques to make your life better," but seem to point to a more whole, integrated way of being that seems to demand some kind of intelligence, clarity, competence, and accountability on the part of your "person." Is really pushing my attention to my mind and says of holding things as far as to how I "guide" and live my life.
Contemplation: Where To Start?
Hello, everyone. I have been doing contemplation for several months now. What is play What is relationship What is meaning What is culture Is it practical for me to contemplate on "Who/What am I?" as a start? Or shall I get good at contemplating on the "easier" ones first before I tackle the grand daddy of them all (Who am I?)? Thanks in advance.
2 likes • Feb 13
Fellow student here. You can keep that in mind as I chime in, maybe take me with a grain of salt. I think you can contemplate who/what am I in general. There really isn't an actual "chart" or step by step process you have to go through. The point is to become increasingly conscious of anything on any level, whether relative and related to your mind and day-to-day activities, or the grand stuff like absolutes. My personal opinion is that getting familiar with tapping into REAL questioning rather than ritualistic rote "sitting and contemplating" will take you bounds ahead than just "going through the motions." Doesn't mean that taking time to really focus on THAT genuine questioning isn't super useful, because it absolutely can be, just gotta make the distinction between the "motions" and genuine contemplating. That being said, contemplating the day to day stuff, the "smaller" stuff can be really useful to familiarize you with learning, not-knowing and questioning. As in, you start to adopt the principles of questioning, which will likely aid you in your attempts to question anything deeply, including the big stuff. Doesn't mean you can't jump straight in. Totally go for it. Me personally, I like to INCLUDE a lot of stuff, anything is ripe for investigation, sometimes it's good to just focus on one
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