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The Path: backyard to sideliner to commercial
Every beekeeper is on one of four stages. Find yours, then work on the next one. This is a way to learn, not a price list and not a promise. Honest first: most new beekeepers lose money in year one. Dead hives are the biggest leak. Nobody here gets judged for a dead hive. We ask what happened. STAGE 1. BACKYARD (1 to 5 hives) Job: keep every colony alive through a full year and learn what a hive really costs you. Money questions: What did your first hive cost, all in? What did mite treatment and feed cost? What did you lose, and why? STAGE 2. HOBBYIST (5 to 10 hives) Job: make your own bees from splits instead of buying them, and sell the extra honey to people you know. Money questions: What does one jar cost you to make? What do you charge? How many jars did you sell, not just fill? STAGE 3. SIDELINER (10 to 100 hives) Job: a repeatable second income from more than honey: nucs, queens, services, classes. Money questions: Which product pays the most for each hour you work? What does one winter loss cost you to replace? STAGE 4. COMMERCIAL (100+ hives) Job: run bees as a business with trucks, crews, contracts and cash flow. I started in 2017 with 10 hives. Today Ten Box Bees runs 900+ colonies. Money questions: What is your cost per colony per year? Which month is your cash lowest? YOUR ONE-LINE MATH (fill in your own numbers): Cost to keep one hive for a year: $____ Income from one hive for a year: $____ Difference: $____ If the difference is negative, that is normal in year one. Write down why. HOW TO USE THIS POST 1. Comment your stage and hive count. 2. Join the 7 Day Sideliner Starter Challenge. It starts Monday, Nov 2. 3. Open the Classroom and start with the course "Start Here: The Path." 4. Bring questions to the Q and A, every other Wednesday at 7:00 PM Central. Not legal or tax advice. No income is promised here. Which stage are you in, and what is your hive count today?
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Start Here: how Profitable Beekeeping works
Welcome. I'm William Simmons of Ten Box Bees in Burleson, Texas. We run 900-plus colonies and work with 75-plus landowner clients. This group is about making bees pay, step by step, with real numbers. How it is organized: 1. The path. Four stages: Backyard (1 to 5 hives), Hobbyist (5 to 10), Sideliner (10 to 100), Commercial (100 plus). I will pin a post that explains each stage so you can find yours. 2. The classroom. If you are new, start with Beekeeping Starter Kit and Your first year as a beekeeper, now what? 3. The 7 Day Sideliner Starter Challenge. A week of short tasks that ends with your own one-page plan. The start date will be announced here. 4. A 30 minute Q and A every other Wednesday at 7:00 PM Central (see the calendar), and a monthly profit check-in. Ground rules: - Be specific. Share numbers where you can: costs, prices, counts. - No spam or link dropping. No medical claims about honey. - Losses are part of beekeeping. Nobody gets judged for a dead hive here, and we ask what happened. - Nothing posted here is legal or tax advice. County appraisal districts decide ag exemption questions. - No income is promised in this group. If a post sounds like a promise, say so. Your first step: post your intro in the pinned thread "Introduce yourself."
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Introduce yourself (copy and fill in)
Say hello in a way that helps us help you. Copy this and fill it in: - Where you are (state or region): - Hives right now (zero is fine): - Years keeping bees: - Your stage today: Backyard, Sideliner or Commercial - The one way you want bees to pay you: honey, nucs, queens, leasing, pollination, wax products, classes, swarm removal, or something else - The biggest thing in your way right now: winter losses, mites, selling, startup cost, time, or other I read every intro and reply to each one. Reply to someone else's intro too, especially if you are in the same state or have the same goal. Introductions with numbers in them get the best answers.
Day 2: Price your start
Day 2. Today we put real prices on the start. Task: find the current local price of three things. A bee jacket or suit with veil. A hive tool and a smoker. Bees: a package or nuc from two local sources. For comparison, our 2027 5-frame Ten Box nuc is $275 now that the $250 presale ended Nov 1, and it is picked up in Burleson. Add it up. For reference, Extension budgets for the first hive run about $800 to $1,100 with new equipment, and a swarm costs nothing but is not guaranteed. Reply with your three prices and your total. Prices differ by area, so post yours even if they look high or low. @Gus Lutjens @Xander Du Preez @Tommy Gan what did bees cost you to get started, roughly?
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Nucs: the cost to build one, the price to sell it, and why presale matters
A nuc is a small colony, usually five frames: a laying queen, brood, bees, and some stores. For a sideliner it is one of the best ways to turn strong hives into cash, because you are selling bees, not waiting on a honey flow. What we charge: our 2027 five-frame nucs were $250 on presale through November 1. The regular price is now $275. Pickup is in early May at the farm in Burleson, and we do not ship bees. What goes into one nuc. Work out your own cost for each line before you set a price: 1. The queen. A mated queen from us is $50. If you raise your own, your cost is time, equipment, and the ones that fail to mate. 2. Brood and bees. These come out of a strong colony. Every frame you pull is a frame that is not making honey or building that hive, so count it as a cost even though you did not buy it. 3. The box and frames. A nuc box and five frames, either sold with the nuc or returned. Price this from your own supplier. 4. Feed. Most nucs get syrup while they build up. My estimate is a few dollars per nuc, but it depends on sugar prices and your weather. 5. Losses. Some nucs fail: the queen does not take, robbing, a cold snap. Plan for a share of them not making it to sale and spread that cost over the ones that do. 6. Your time. Making splits, checking for eggs, feeding, and handing off to customers. Add those up and you have your cost per nuc. The gap between that and your sale price is the profit, and it can shrink fast if you lose a lot of them. Why presale matters: - It tells you how many nucs to make, so you are not guessing in March. - Deposits bring cash in during winter, when nothing else is selling. - It locks in buyers before everyone else's nucs hit the market in spring. - A lower presale price rewards people for committing early, and it gives you a deadline to point to. The catch: once you take money, you owe bees. Do not sell more nucs than your strong colonies can make, and keep enough back to cover your own winter losses. Your turn: if you sell nucs, reply with what you charge, how many you made this year, and what share failed before sale. If you have not sold any, how many strong colonies do you think you could split next spring?
Nucs: the cost to build one, the price to sell it, and why presale matters
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