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An uncomfortable observation about spiritual teachings (including this post)
I’ve been noticing something slightly disturbing about spiritual teachings. For any teaching to survive, it has to attract people. And to attract people, it almost always has to offer some kind of “goodie”. Freedom from suffering.A better life.Authenticity.Peace.Enlightenment. Something the ego wants. Because if a teacher simply stood up and said: “Let’s pursue truth for its own sake, even if it destroys everything you believe and gives you nothing in return.” Almost nobody would show up. So teachings package truth with incentives. Even teachers who deeply care about truth still have to do this. Take Peter Ralston as an example and this community. This work clearly points toward something very serious. But notice how the entry points are things like improving your life, ending suffering, authentic experience, workshops, courses, books, etc. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s probably unavoidable. It just reveals something about us as humans. Most people don’t come for truth. They come for something they want. And maybe, if they stay long enough, truth sneaks in. Which brings me to the funny part: Even writing this post… I can see the same mechanism in myself. Part of me genuinely wants to explore this dynamic. And another part of me hopes people resonate, like it, comment on it… so I can collect enough points to reach Level 2 in this community. So even this reflection isn’t free from the same incentive structure. Which makes me wonder: Is it actually possible to communicate truth without any incentive attached to it at all? Or is some level of “goodie” always part of the game? -Talat
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Solid points. Life is not about truth its about surviving. As you say, its not a problem, its a feature. Even if we genuinely want people to grasp stuff here, we need to first get their attention. This will be a manipulation. There seems to be no way around that. And there is nothing wrong with that its already what everybody does anyway. The question is whether we are using it for the right purpose. (Just using language to get beyond language is the same kind of porblem.) If our real commitment is to grasp the truth, we will in the end make real progress. We just have to watch out for losing this and just becoming another business that caters for what people want. I consider this a real danger actually, that we have to respect in order to avoid.
About Limiting Beliefs course on characteristic behaviors
On the exercise to select a characteristic (limiting) behavior I want to change, I'm not sure if I could work on the more subtle behaviors I want to change, not the more gross ones like anger, sadness, shyness. I am interested in understanding my behavior of: zoning out, distractibility, boredom, etc. These things I believe are hindrance for my growth and focus/concentration/contemplation. Do these things qualify as limiting behaviors that I can free myself from, or do I just stick to the anger, sadness, cracking a joke all the time ones? Thank you in advance.
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Hey Ark, They do sound like limiting behaviours to me, it might be worth looking at them too. However be mindful of "understanding". Intellectual understanding can go forever (constantly feeling like you're learning sq new) but is it making a real difference in your expereience? Instead of understanding, attempt to experience these fully and find the thoughts that cause them. Create new thoughts, new perspectives and these will help you pinpoint what thoughts cause your distress. Consider that emotions are the result of something you are thinking. Good luck, v
Consciousness Community Session - Being Incomplete
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Consciousness Community Session - Being Incomplete
0 likes • Feb 4
@Robert David powerful stuff!
Embracing The Mundane
I recently completed a 10 day silent meditation retreat, and on this retreat I had the realization that what we call the "mundane" is actual a beautiful place to be, possibly the best place to be. When most people sit alone with nothing to do they go to boredom, loneliness, self conflict and fantasy. Yet when we move through those things or stop doing them, we become present. We rest in Being. There is nothing to do but listen to the sounds, breathe, rest in awareness. This to me is the pinnacle of existence, just Being, presence. Yet, most people see this as hell, so they go on chasing trivial things. Yet to me the real hell is being a slave to some idea that you need to be someone, or live a unique exciting life and be special. Recently i've been contemplating "specialness" and dropping this whole pain in the ass notion that I am somehow special or unique and it's been a great relief. Thanks for reading.
2 likes • Jan 30
Great insight, just finding this completeness in simple being indeed really rocks! All the best
Ignorance
Lately I´m wondering about a perceived "stupidity" in myself. Its like a dullness or a foggy mist that clouds my perceptions. What creates "stupidity"? Is it born from ignorance? Lack of love? Selfishness? The drive of self-survival and to persist as a certain "self-object"? I can see that my listening skills are affected by that. It seems like a part of me just does not want to hear truth. Any ideas?
1 like • Jan 8
I have experience with something very similar that can have a huge affect on my experience. For me the key to freedom is to acknowledge, really find what I want in that moment. There is usually a strong background sense of wanting to be somewhere else, somehow different. When you get that you are thinking that whole thing, freedom opens up. Also, get a bit of confidence in yourself!!! Best V
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Viktor Balogh
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