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Direct VS Indirect
I asked ChatGPT to illustrate the difference between asking a woman out and inviting women to hang out; one is binary in that she will either reject or accept, the other can be done easily more than once and without a display of dating/romantic/sexual intentions. How have you guys thought about this? I'm trying to find a way to illustrate to day gamers that social circle game is smarter.
Direct VS Indirect
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I think the struggle with selling this to day gamers is to be a bit expected because, due to the cold approach and short interaction time typically involved in day game, a girl will perceive the invitation to hang out as intent, because for most men it would be. This is especially true for 1-on-1 scenarios. I think it's easier to sell the idea for approaching a group of women, "You all seem fun, we should hang out some time" feels less intentful when talking to a group. For 1-on-1 it might be easier to sell if you have a warm approach through some repeated contact, same class, grocery store, coffee shop, part of shared interest group, etc. So she's already part way in your social sphere, just not in your social circle yet.
Compliance and intent
Could anyone highlight the key features of being shown compliance? How do you know if a girl has shown enough compliance to move to bottom funnel events? Also when Michael says we’re not showing intent what are examples of showing intent and what would you do otherwise?
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Compliance is anytime a woman follows your lead, complies with a direction, or tries to win your approval. A couple of weeks a ago, I teased a girl about her posture a few times, and each time she made a show of correcting it. Even something as simple as that is an small sign of compliance. I'm not far into the training, so unfortunately I can't comment on the funnel part.
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@Jacob Smith Yes, it's best to start small and then work your way up. I've heard people refer to it as a "yes ladder" which I believe is a term used in sales.
Solo Social Proof
This group, rightly so, focuses on demonstrating social proof through group dynamics. It is, by far, the best way to do it. But we all start out building our circles alone, or can often be in a situation (say travelling) where we don't have an established social circle. Yes, we can use our IGs to help demonstrate our status, but we must first be in a conversation to be able to share our IG. There are two ways to get into the conversation: to approach or to be approached. Usually the one being approached is perceived as the higher status person. In today's world, where people gather less, I see fewer men demonstrating presence (what the younger guys call aura) and charisma, particularly presence. Presence is essentially the non-verbal social cue that makes you feel that someone is high value even if they're sitting alone and not saying a word. This is also what women can often perceive as "mysterious". Presense is a combination of style, posture, confidence, and stoicism. Charisma is when you combine presence with the verbals of a skilled orator. I'm not particularly physically attractive, I'm just getting by financially, despite losing 100 lbs I'm still obese, and I'm a bit of an introvert. Yet after about 20 min of sitting at a bar I have both men and women coming up and starting conversations with me (presence) which last for 30 min or more (charisma). The best thing is that these can be developed. I developed them through my job to the point where they're now just a part of who I am. It's a cheat code that every man should work on.
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@Vincent Sullivan The two easiest gains I've found for presence are style and posture, with posture even trumping style. People have notoriously bad posture or display timid posture nowadays. You want your posture to say confident and authoritative but still approachable. Too many men when they try to do confident posture, they also project intimidating. Merely sitting up straight in your chair and keeping your head looking straight forward makes a world of difference, so when you turn to talk to someone turn your whole body. Getting into good shape really helps your posture and farmers' carry is a great exercise. Also, try to learn to go without your phone for a hour or two or just glancing evey 20-30 min. Looking at your phone places you in bad posture. Martial arts are also great for posture. For style, you really should learn to dress for the location and occasion. It's not always about going more formal. In the photo I attached, I got more attention than men dressed in blazers and suits but also the men in t-shirts or polos and jeans. I was at a cocktail lounge frequented by university and college students. To pull this off, it's best to become a regular (familiar environment as Mike says), but let's say you're travelling, it's better to upscale it a bit, because it's easier to dress something down by taking off a jacket and tie than to dress something up. Basically you want to looked elevated without looking like you're trying to impress. Unique touches also help. For instance I replaced baseball hats with flat caps in the winter and trilbys in the summer. I learned a of my style from Real Men Real Style on YouTube. What I meant about stoicism was not being easily impressed, not looking around all the time seeking for someone to start a conversation with, and not immediately starting a conversation with someone who comes near you. Learn to enjoy and be comfortable sitting quietly in your own thoughts without needing to be constantly entertained through conversation or your phone. If someone enters your sphere, wait for them to say or do something that warrants a response or a joke / tease (let them open you, even unintentionally).
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@Guillermo Ortiz check my reply to Vincent above.
Rich Somers interview - women who are not used to authority.
This blew my mind Because it was always there and I had stopped noticing it. Thanks Michael. But those of you who didn't watch the interview or don't remember seeing this part, What I'm talking about is when a woman grows up without a leader figureWhat I'm talking about is when a woman grows up without a dominant or a male leader figure, she questions you throughout the day the week the month non-stop basically. I have started noticing even men doing this which gives a very feminine vibe. If anyone has more to add to this phenomenon I would love hear more. Please share.
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I'd say that if a person, man or women, isn't following your lead, it has more to do with you not having solidly established the frame of leader. Women without strong father figures are looking for STRONG male leaders. That's what daddy issues actually are. Outside of the military context, where you're expected to follow a leader regardless of if they've demonstrated their leadership quality explicitly to you or not, people will only defer to your lead if you have DEMONSTRATED, in some way that you deserve to be followed. It doesn't need to be valid or logical. It could even just be your presence. Buy they need to FEEL, that you're WORTHY of the trust they're giving in order to follow. A lot of modern men aren't up to the task of leadership these days.
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@Alex Khar It probably didn't come across well with my choice of wording. When I said "strong" I wasn't referring to the quality of the man, more his dominant presence and particularly and daddy issues as a girl's attraction for a substantially older man. Yes, some young women (say under 25) without daddy issues are into older men, but a lot have them. I agree that women tend to marry men similar to their fathers for good or ill but, if a woman lacked a man of strong leadership as a child, she craves that in her teens and 20s. That's why it's easier for charismatic men to prey on women in that age group who didn't have a father figure who led well.
Cold Approach at Events
I went to the Teatro LA event this past Friday in LA. I felt like I was in a movie looking at all the girls with their fake lips and tits. There were real girls there too with natural beauty. Every time I'm in Hollywood I see beautiful women; it's a sign for me to move to LA. I currently live in Huntington Beach. I didn't meet any new girls. I met a few new MOA guys, which was cool. I also saw Owen Cook picking up some girls. It quickly became apparent that I still need to cold approach at these events. Opening strangers still feels like I'm hitting on them and bothering them. My mind creates big mental blockers especially after working in my room all week. This is one of my biggest sticking points. Thoughts?
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I teach in highschools and the university in a small city, and here the drinking age is 19 and most of the women who go out are mid 20s and younger. Walking up to young woman after young woman is not a good look for a 46 year old teacher, so I need to "approach" a bit differently. Rather than walking up to women, I position myself in areas that drive women to me (the bar, the entrance to the dance floor, the path towards the washroom, etc). I am then in a position to overhear conversations and tease or interject something or "accidentally" bump into them and start the conversation with a polite apology. I've had quite a bit of luck with this, and because I don't open with intent, it's very easy to friendzone the girls to build the circle.
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