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A study of Crawl Away by Tool
Over the past month or more I've been working on a study of sorts trying to get down the vocals for Crawl Away by Tool. It seemed like a good piece because there are long, drawn-out notes with heavier grit. I think I've gotten it to a place I'm satisfied with, although I probably am actually using more distortion than he does in the song. But I figured, hey, it is the skill I'm trying to learn so I may as well step it up a notch. This recording is after countless takes to get the very best ones, granted I was learning the more aggressive stuff more or less from scratch over that time. This is the vocals only, so I uploaded it to SoundCloud so you can see the waveform and skip over the silent parts. It was recorded through a compressor but otherwise it's completely dry. https://soundcloud.com/to_the_sun/crawl-away-a-cappella
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@Draven Grey That would be great. I'll gladly accept any help you have to offer. Although I said I'm satisfied with it, there's obviously plenty of room for improvement. I feel like I know how to do it without shouting, but it's far from every time I do it perfectly. Granted that recording was made over the past month or two and I feel like I'm better at not shouting/pushing every day. I looked up the epiglottis and yeah, I do hear that happening quite a lot now that you bring it up. I'm generally aiming for a sweet spot with good sounding distortion that's straight up (like the parachute you mentioned, I suppose) or maybe even leaning a little forward from there. If I pull it back too far, the reverberations get too big, almost like Chewbacca. Not sure if that's epiglottal too, even though the resonance still feels like it's above the soft palate somewhere. I guess the main thing I'm probably not quite getting is, even though I can do the distortion sound (shape) crisply and clearly and on command, connecting that to actual powerful singing that feels in any way natural. The only way I've found to do that is to project super far forward beyond a certain threshold to the front of the face or up to the crown of the head. If done right, I can do it with only compression. If done wrong, I'm forcing it and shouting. But either way, it's like only above that threshold of power or breath support I suppose that I have any sort of natural movement enough to phonate or even really sing. If I'm just making the sound (which does sound crispest and clearest and best) I'm very locked in that shape.
Can't unlock mixed voice
Hi, I'm new here so I'm still a bit shy. I need a lot of help with mixed voice because I cannot seem to figure it out even though I'm spending all of my patience and energy behind it. Is there any vocal teacher/coach who can come on a call for just 15 mins and teach me some of the things without any money please? I cannot pay even a single dollar behind this as I am too young and I really just need some guidance and advice for it. I've tried youtube and taking advice from random people online but it doesn't really work unless there's someone pinpointing my mistakes and telling me how to correct them. Learning by myself has also created some confusions that I need to get rid of immediately. Somebody help please 🙏🏻🙏🏻
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Mixed voice is all about hitting that sweet spot where the muscles from below (your chest) and the muscles from above (your head) are both contributing precisely to flexing your vocal cords (I don't know if that's technically biologically accurate but it really helped me to visualize it that way) so it just becomes totally crisp and clear but also effortless. Effortless and totally maneuverable, so you can hold the notes forever. But it's all about precision and hitting that exact little sweet spot and holding it there. Do you know how to locate your bridge (or "break")? That's where the sweet spot lies.
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@Shajeen Islam Here's a recording of what I do to find my bridge. I originally watched a Chris Liepe video where he suggested using the phrase "I'll get you, my pretty" from the Wizard of Oz, but obviously you don't need to say the whole thing once you understand. That break or little yodel when it jumps up to head voice is my bridge. When you flip up to head voice this way you get there in a strong mix, so even taking it up higher it's still effortless and maneuverable because the chest is also helping to support. If you enter head voice and it breaks up and gets airy, then it's falsetto, not a mix. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RgkPEMycjHD-A-M-0CXiamrCOhJhTGLf/view?usp=sharing
What Is The Key To Varying The Level Of Grit You Sing With?
I've done so much work to try to create as much distortion as guys like Anselmo and Halford that if rather than a metal type distortion, I want more of a Mick Jagger type grit, I don't know how. The false folds are either activated or they're not and when they are, it's like a metal type grit. The lighter, more rock type grit like on "Start Me Up"...I don't know how to do it. If I tried to sing this it would probably sound more like Rob Halford than Mick Jagger. For those who don't know the sound I'm talking about, this is Start Me Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGyOaCXr8Lw&list=RDSGyOaCXr8Lw&start_radio=1 I would think Jagger just isn't activating the false folds as much as Halford does, but with me, it's like my false fold are either on or off.
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@Kenny Kendall yeah, for sure. Dynamism in all things, I say. It's just way more fun and interesting to use the full range of grit even within the same song, between different parts. Varying volume, tempo, etc. too. Everything, really.
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@Kenny Kendall I can't really say I'm experienced enough to have a good answer to this. The only way I've reproducibly found to do it so far is being above the threshold of breath support and pulling the C into an L. Below the threshold, it's pretty much always either on or off, at least when I'm really consciously focusing on it. I will have to pay more attention as I mess around in the future and see what I can do. I do like to move the placement all around, switching between clean singing and grit back and forth. So I do it plenty, I'm sure, just not necessarily in a very conscious or controlled way. I'll pay attention to the breath support question you raise in particular.
A small revelation
I've been meaning to post about my progress, but every day there's more of it, so anything I would post would be automatically outdated. I did have a bit of a revelation I wanted to share though. I've been watching that vocal distortion part two video every day and I thought I basically understood the purpose of making that dopey sound you demonstrate while saying "powah become death." But I realized today I wasn't doing enough of it. You actually can pull it back and down into that shape even further, and it feels like it almost opens up your throat a little. Of course you have to keep the resonant anchor vibrating in the middle of your head/top of your mouth. Otherwise, I imagine you would just loosen up your throat which, I know from experience, will tear you up right away. But if you start high and then pull it back and down into that shape while keeping the resonant anchor vibrating, the throat gets wider but stays flexed, and you get way deeper, way more powerful distortion out of it. Definitely hard to explain in words. And of course, I've just begun to understand it, but I feel like I had to share because I'm excited to see where this goes.
Redid some vocals on this
Thought I'd share a song I just finished up. Maybe doesn't show off my vocals super well just because it's an old song I only wanted to redo a few lines on and also the vocals are drenched in effects, but it is what I've been working on lately, among many other things. And I do like where it stands. https://tothesun.bandcamp.com/track/heaven-fallen
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@Draven Grey Thanks! Yeah, I Know My Price is undeniably well-mixed. Unfortunately I wasn't the one who did it. That was my collaborator on that project, Sound of Unknowing. My mixing is always, shall we say, sparse. I just want to sing and play instruments. I hate clicking things on a computer. Actually, another reason Heaven Fallen isn't actually the greatest song to be showing off is the mixing. At one point, the main vocal track wound up with garbled artifacts throughout it and I couldn't figure out why or how to get rid of them. So that was actually the impetus to just put tons of effects and overdrive on the vocals to cover up the parts that were bad. Haha. I do have tons of instrumental songs but I usually don't make instrumental *versions* of songs. I certainly could though. I imagine taking the vocals off would reveal all sorts of mistakes that were hidden underneath, heh. Here's what Heaven Fallen sounds like: https://soundcloud.com/to_the_sun/heaven-fallen-instrumental As for a solid mix of chest and head voice, that is exactly the angle I like. More and more I want to be messing around with dynamic placement and aggressive parts woven in right with softer parts.
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