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11d •
Being an New Artist is Tough
Getting traction with new music is not easy... https://www.statsignificant.com/p/has-new-music-become-less-popular?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F16278f72-faf9-41c7-a49f-b4278c10b7ec_1248x880.jpeg&open=false
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@Don Davis We're not talking about the same thing. I'm talking about industry. Roughly 90% of the record labels went under in the 2000s as a result of illegal downloading. They did not come back.. Record labels are an example of industry and the major record labels, were major industry! Your perception is "rock is not what fans want anymore", yet rock concert ticket prices have never been higher. The idea of decreased demand leading to higher prices is a non-starter in the business world. It simply doesn't work that way. The problem isn't lack of demand fo rock; it's that the business model that illegal downloading destroyed was never replaced with a viable new business model capable of building bands of the stature that can headline 15,000 seat arenas four times a week for a three or four month tour. When I brought up the fact that the decline in major new rock stars coincided perfectly with the collapse of the industry's business model and the ensuing collapse of the majority of the record label industry, you had nothing to say about it. Do you realize how astronomical the odds of those two things just happening to coincide without causality are? You're not talking about industry; you're talking about revenue. Revenue is an industry metric, but without knowing what the expenses are, it's a fairly useless metric. For instance a company could generate revenues of $11 billion but if their expenses are eleven billion and one dollars, they lost money! Respond if you wish. I won't be replying. I came here to have a good time and learn about singing - not to argue. I'm not going to bring contentiousness to this community. If you just wanted a friendly conversation about the nature of the record industry and its collapse, that would have been one thing, but considering the name Ahmet Ertegun doesn't sound even familiar to you, that hardly seems possible.
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@Don Davis No need to apologize. We have very different views on what has happened with music since illegal downloading destroyed the business model that had been used since the 1950s. It didn't appear to me that much, if any common ground was likely to be reached on that particular topic. This community seems like a very peaceful, controversy-free place, so out of respect to the owners, I did what I thought I should to help keep it that way.
6d •
What Grit Techniques Was Kevin Dubrow Using In This Song?
I was listening to The Charismatic Voice yesterday and Elizabeth reacted to Metal Health by Quiet Riot. After listening to this song in its entirety, I realzed it really is a tremendous vocal performance. I'm especially interested in a couple of gritty sounds Kevin DuBrow made in this song. The first is sort of a whispery sounding grit that you will hear starting at 1:42 into the song. I would guess it is some sort of bleeding air grit but it is very unique sounding. There must be something extra he is adding to that technique or combining that technique with. Them starting at 1:58 you hear his main , go-to grit sound. It had a very hard sound to it! I'm not sure I've heard anyone with grit quite like this. It's intense like Hardcore Bark but still very different. I'd love to know how he's creating this sound! Also, at 2:32 there an almost acapella part where you can really hear this technique without the other instruments covering up his voice very much and he hits some really high notes. Is that whistle voice at 2:47? Here's the link to the song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_1ruZWJigo
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@Draven Grey Wow, that is fascinating! So the hard, growly nature of his grit is extra constriction (extra hard hyoid pull) balanced out with less compression and far lighter than he sounds. I used to think that bleeding air grit was used for fairly high notes where it becomes difficult to compress ot where a smoother grit is wanted, but the part that starts at 1:45 is not very high in pitch and he's using bleeding air combined with upper grunt, so it's good to know that bleeding air grit does work on notes that would typically be sung in full chest voice. He really is a mixed voice master. I think maybe he doesn't get as much credit for how good and how powerful of a singer he was because the subject matter of the lyrics in Quiet Riot was not serious, but Kevin DuBrow was definitely a serious vocalist! One question: Is there a possibility that when using so much constriction the constriction gets to where it chokes off the note? Clearly it isn't choking of DuBrow's notes but still, it seems to me that a note, if constricted enough is eventually going to get choked off. I could be totally wrong about that though. Thank you very much!
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@Draven Grey I'll be careful with it. Thank you!
20d •
Matt Heafy During Trivium's In Waves Era
Hey guys, I've been getting into fry and false cord screams lately. While I was listening to trivium's song In Waves, I focused on the scream Matt Heafy was performing and it didn't sound like the usual fry or false cord screams that we're accustomed to hearing. Later, I was searching on google about it when I found out that he was consequently hurting his voice in order to produce that sort of distortion. Can someone give me a bit more insight in this topic?
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@Draven Grey When you refer to "strengthening exercises", are those all SOVT exercises? If not, what would be an example of a strengthening exercise that isn't an SOVT exercise?
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@Draven Grey Thanks!
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Oli Sykes' Inhale Screams Causing Internet Pandemonium
The internet is abuzz with a whole lot of people saying "Oh no, Oli Sykes is using inhale screams! He's going to ruin his voice. Again"! Just as many people are saying: "Oli has been a professional vocalist for twenty years. Do you really think he's going to be so dumb as to use some technique that will ruin his voice"? This all came about after Bring Me The Horizon announced they were re-recording their 2006 debut album and some clips of their recording sessions were released, including some where Oli Sykes was using inhale screams. Oli responded to the noisy confusion he had inadvertently caused with this Instagram post: "These r inhales, yes. There's like 3 or 4 moments on the record I did it, end of Medusa being the main bit...the rest are all full chest...but someone enlighten me on how these are dangerous /bad for your voice? I've always considered it so gentle on my chords (sic) it feels like cheating..don't get ppl crying" Someone "enlighten" you, Oli? As you wish. After spending the last three days scouring the internet, refusing to take time off to eat or sleep... Ah, "Three Days" - reminiscent of late nights spent in the clubs in the 90s: "Three days was the morning. My focus three days old. My head, it landed" All that hard work paid off. First, I found a YouTube comment by someone claiming to be Melissa Cross who put forth the following thoughts in about as humble a way as a human being possibly could: "They are NOT dangerous- they are simply less efficient. The vocal folds react the same to inhale and exhale- it's just inefficient bcz the air is limited bcz it is going the wrong direction, msking it more difficult to transfer to a sound with a recognizable frequency (pitch). It takes years of education to understand the acoustics, aerodynamics, articulation, etc of human voice. Most people who discuss.vocal.mechanics are truly full of absolute bs based.on a narrative they make up based on their own anecdotal experience- i have yet to see ANYONE who gets it right so far."
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@Draven Grey Do you know what Oli changed after the injury so that he was able to still scream? I'd think if Oli was straining and pushing, it was because that was the only way he could scream. What aspedct of screaming was it that he didn't understand that allows people to scream without using so much force? Maybe he didn't understand constriction. Maybe he didn't understand compression. I don't know. Do you know? As for Melissa, she seems to think she's the only one who knows anything about how to teach. I've never looked into her teaching products since she calls it The Zen Of Screaming and screaming is just one part of being an aggressive rock vocalist. Most of rock and heavy metal is singing - not screaming, except in the most extreme bands. I have heard her scream though and I was not impressed. I've never heard her sing with grit. I don't know if she can or not. I think the screams of Gabriel Bonilha, David Benites, Mark Garrett, Justin Bonitz and Matt Sibila are all more impressive sounding than those of Melissa Cross.
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@Draven Grey Interesting! Thanks for that. By the way, I happened to come across someone's channel on YouTube that is about singing opera style, but what was interesting to me is that he described appoggio! I'll see if I can find the video...(looking for it)....I found it. It turns out in Italian, Sostenare means "support. The verb apoggiare doesn't even mean "support" in Italian; it means "to lean"! " Here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I5uqfTz9bw&t=325s
Feb '24 •
👋 Introduce yourself right here!
This is the introductions thread. Say hi, tell us where you’re from and what you’re all about! In your introduction, answer these 3 questions: ➡️ What is your current music project and vision? ➡️ What moment made you want to pursue being a rock singer? ➡️ What's the main thing holding you back? We can’t wait to meet you!
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@Alexander P Steve Perry is awesome, as is his guitarist Neal Schon. And Blackie Lawless, damn, I haven't thought about him in years but I have two WASP albums. I need to give them a listen again. Blackie has a totally unique voice. I've never heard a cover band cover a WASP song where the singer came close to capturing the essence of Blackie's sound.
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@Suzie Barrock Nice influences. Some of David Lee Roth's shrieks (like in Running With The Devil) were vicious! I think they were inhales.
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@kenny-kendall-9359
I love classic rock and metal. A couple years ago I started learning to play guitar, but then I decided what truly excited me was being a vocalist.
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