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Does A Larynx Tilt Create Cry?
I know that not all vocal coaches use the same terms for things, so if this can be answered, great. If the terms are obscure or uncertain or whatever, I get it. One thing that stands out to me is how much emphasis is placed on cry in your method of teaching. Even to where good singing revolves around using cry well. I didn't know a lot about cry before but I do remember once being told that cry is the tilting of the larynx or "laryngeal tilt." Is there any true to that? Is the reason that cry works that you make the larynx tilt forward? Is this visible? If you look in the mirror when you use cry can you see the adam's apple doing something unusual? Finally, if tilting the larynx creates cry, does that mean cry can take place in any acoustic placement or any acoustic position, or does cry still always take place when the voice is placed around the upper back of the head?
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@Draven Grey Oh, twang is the thing that makes the larynx tilt! I must have come across one of those coaches who call twang "cry." Thanks for clearing that up!
Adding Distortion UP HIGH
To add distortion up high, you need to train—and that means more than singing songs. Here's how to add distortion to your high notes without having to push to get the sound you want.
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I think that technique must offer a lot of possibilities. I listened to it closely to see if I could hear what was going on. It sound like you begin the technique by singing in a deliberately breathy voice and then once the breathiness comes out, you apply some compression to that breathy air that escaped. Is that it?
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@Draven Grey Okay, I will listen to pt 2 again. For some reason I thought decompressed meant "less compressed." I didn't know it meant not compressed at all. Thanks!
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@Draven Grey Oh, I do have a drop off around A/A#. I mean that on B4 and C4 I still have a little bit of chest in the mix and by C#4 it's pretty much just head voice. I can't reliably get any distortion on C#5.I think if I continue to work on cry as my foundation hopefully I will get to where I can do some distortion on C#5 and maybe get to where I can do the really high part of Slaves and Bulldozers where Chris Cornell goes: "Now I know why you've been shakin'."
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@Draven Grey Thanks for the heads up on that. I heard your two 60 minute podcasts on distortion a couple months ago (good stuff!) and I need to listen to them again. I remember you saying Cornell bled the glottis of air in a decompressed distortion technique. Is bleeding the glottis done by intentionally letting air escape by singing in a breathy way?
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@Draven Grey I appreciate the insight! I started learning from Chris' tutorials because when I decided I wanted to learn to sing, Chris Liepe videos dominated in rock vocal YouTube channels...or at least in my feed. I thought if he is doing so well and has so many subscribers, he must be the best, or I;d see other rock vocal channels with huge audiences popping up in my feed all the time, but the other main thing that came up in my feed is Charismatic Voice. Those two channels have some marketing behind them! So I really studied Chris' approach. When I would see another channel give instruction, I noticed they never went into the 3 constructions that Chris teaches and I thought: This is why Chris is so good. Nobody else is covering constriction in any detail. More recently though, I searched for new approaches because like I've said, I find distortion confusing...So I watched tutorials from some channels that are deathcore -based since distortion is a part of everything they do, maybe I can learn something from them even though it's not my favorite genre. That helped. I think it could help a lot of people to understand at least a little about screams so that when they sing with grit, they have a better understanding of if they're effectively getting their false folds involved. I also learned that you can create a lot of false fold distortion without having to compress so hard! The deathcore channels gave me a more complete understanding of how to find and use my false cords effectively...It's still a work in progress for me. I've found there are some vocal coaches who don't have huge exposure on YouTube or hundreds of thousands of subscribers that, been really helpful. What gets the most views is not necessarily what I find to be the best quality. I have come across several channels that I like and none used Chris constriction terminology. Like you, these coaches have Estill or CVT backgrounds. So, I hope I didn't go down a rabbit hole there, but just to emphasize yes, I can see how Chris may be using the words compression and constriction as if they are the same.
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@Draven Grey Man, you really have this stuff figured out! This video is great. So much better than a text reply. I don't even think I have any questions 😄!
Do this to Get Good DISTORTION
If you want powerful grit and distortion in your voice, you need to start light. Do this to get good distortion without PUSHING for your sound.
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Oh good. Distortion is kind of confusing to me. You say to start with a sort of what sounds kind of like airy sounding fry. Is adding that fry and the airy sound it makes a stylistic choice....or a thing you just gotta do for safety? OK..this video you posted reminds me of a good example that relates to this a lot. Matt Heafy in Trivium at first made his distortion where you didn't hear that airy fry and it sounded hard and aggressive and good. But he said it blew out his voice. So Matt went to a vocal coach and said he was taught a safer distortion. He started using a distortion where you always hear that airy fry sort but to me...it muffles the note. It's less badass sounding, The new way he does, you hear a lot of the airy fry sound you say to start with. To my ear...it muffles the notes Matt sings with distortion now. The old way he made distortion, I didn't hear the airy fry I now hear sort of muffling his distorted notes.. Matt Heafy's vocal coach taught him his more airy newer more muffled sounding distortion for safety but the Trivium fans, most of them anyway, like the dangerous way he first used and Matt says he might try the old way again because he is stronger now and he likes that sound better too, I think. Sorry this is long, but I do have a question - - - -Is starting distortion by making the airy fry a sound style choice....or a necessary thing you suggest everyone does for safety? I really like the sound you get at 1:04 in the video you just posted.....Are you using the airy fry there but for some reason I don't hear it or I barely hear it? Maybe you're using it but using less of it? I like it that example because I don't hear the note being muffled. Then at 1:08 in the video you say "up here" for a higher note and in that example, I do hear the airy fry you suggest to start with that to me sort of muffles the note. It's a different sound and good in its own way but I prefer the type of distortion sound you make at 1:04. If you could explain a little about this, whenever is convenient for you, that would be great :)
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@Draven Grey Excellent!
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I love classic rock and metal. A couple years ago I started learning to play guitar, but then I decided what truly excited me was being a vocalist.

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