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Hell in the bible
I think we all know hell is not a lake of fire in which we will be tortured for all eternity after death if we aren't good little monkeys. I am wondering if anyone has any useful apologetics for defending Jesus and his supposed depictions of such a place as misinterpreted or misconstrued. For example he talks about gehenna which was a place where child sacrifice/ burning took place. He also talks about a ravine of fire etc. I think fire = purification, as the Jewish people had no idea of hell and fire was purification/ God's cleansing - the burning bush for example. So when Jesus talks about fire, that is where it takes me. Purification, burning away of what is not us, hardening steal etc. I think the church added this idea of punishment for eternity to take power over the people. But I don't know the history specifically. Any references to Gnostic bibles or anything else to add would be awesome! Just trying to open a discussion my fellow monkeys :)
2 likes • Dec '25
@Erhard H. You still haven't addressed the point of no return. I can see what you're saying, though I think you're being a little bit contrarian for contrarian sake, please justify your claim that we can enter a point of no retueb or of eternal punishment, as you claimed. Your assertion that humans are apart from God is true on one plane but in ultimate reality there is nothing but God. How could there be? So what part of God exactly is going to hell for eternal punishment? Instead it is much more rational to see that all aspects of creation will continue to toil (in hell or somewhere below heaven at least) until they realize that everything including them is God, until they wake up to realize that there is no evil, no other, no human, no animal, no realms, no death, no suffering no nothing. But God. To them wake up to our true reality that it was all pretend:)
1 like • Dec '25
@Erhard H. Because if I spend this lifetime murdering people then I will spend the next 1000 lifetimes being murdered. It's quite simple. If all matter in the universe is "brought to life by God" then all matters true nature is God, there is nothing, the material works is an illusion like you said. So all matter must return to whence it came. All life must return. All illusion must fall away to reveal the true nature of everything as God. So all beings must endure suffering the karmic cycle of consequence, where justice is served by living the repurcussions of your own actions, until you wake up to your nature, until you enter into one with God again and become an angel like you said. Tell me, where is the justice in God creating something for the sole purpose of rotting in hell for eternity? Rather he creates us to grow into full knowledge and integration of him. That we all must suffer and be asleep to eventually wake up and return to him. The model of eternal damnation is nothing but control tactics and spiritual fear mongering. I implore you to take a look at your beliefs as they are limiting your spiritual freedom. To suggest the only reason to walk the spiritual path is because of some possibility of eternal punishment is such a low level though, it does not align with the rest of your argument of creation and oneness and angelic presence. Your arguments contradict one another entirely.
When you look at your results, what belief about yourself are they confirming?
Most people already know the answer. They just don’t want to say it. I wonder what comes up for you when you hear this....
When you look at your results, what belief about yourself are they confirming?
1 like • Dec '25
I only make progress when I am lucky and I just have to wait around for a break. All my dreams are unrealistic and I am doomed to fall short. Those are my negative beliefs that is ee manifest in my life when I go into spiritual luls and enter back into sleep. When I am awake I see the orientation change, but that's the answer to your question
0 likes • Dec '25
@Anita Kozlowski I can and I am😁
The Breath is the Gateway to the Subconscious
I was talking to my girlfriend the other day who often struggles to see through her minds games and is constantly caught up in emotional reactions, negative thoughts and limiting beliefs. And I said something to her - the breath is the only function of our body that is subconscious by default but can be taken over by the conscious mind. So the way to override the Subconscious is through this life giving function that lives in both the conscious and subconscious. Wondering what others are thinking about this concept? We have all heard of the breath as the key but I would love to hear more about this specific angle
What is your Daily Practice ?
Just curious what everyone has implemented as their daily practice. How are we breaking the chain of subconscious thought and behavior? For me I have been doing focused Breathwork each morning after a quick shower with a focus on gratitude. I stretch periodically through the day to loosen tension in my body, and when I cook i listen to anything that reaches to my spirit, often times being Rey. Any time I face doubt or anxiety I sit and return to deep Breathwork like I do every morning to return to that ever more familiar place. Allowing the emotions to exist but at the same time not letting them run circles in my mind by returning to a gounded state where the emotions can run their course and I can remain unattached.
Handling Lust Addiction
My current focus on my spiritual journey is becoming free of my lustful habits and addictions. It has proven to be hard to undo over a decade of sexual degeneracy in my mind. Who would have thought. I know I am making progress because usually when I try to quit it's like a pendulum where eventually I swing right back into the habit, and justify the habit as I could not handle both being addicted and being full of shame by knowing how wrong my actions were. But recently I have moved into a new space, free of shame and guilt, and full of awareness more and more. Where I am still sinning but instead of tearing myself down I am just watching how my actions are affecting my spirit. And I can feel myself becoming more and more convicted that this habit/addiction does not serve me. Every time I enter back into the habit I am one step closer to becoming free. Wondering what the others in the group have to say about their own journey. This has become the single most important part of my life!
1 like • Dec '25
@David Newman well first I think it's not so black and white. If entering back into the habit will not lead to freedom, but resistance and force will lead to pendulum swinging in opposite direction what I to do? I cannot resist and I can not let go. I think the answer is awareness which involves partaking and witnessing the results. But I would agree if I totally recognize it does not serve me, I wouldnt go back to it. But clearly some part of me still thinks I am getting something good from it. Why is it the most important thing in my life? Woukd you disagree the most important thing a heroin addict can do is stop using heroin? As long as and especially if it is through spiritual methods of clearing up karma? I have been watching porn for over a decade straight. It is the single most sinful thing do and the loss of my sexual energy directly contributes to my lack of spiritual growth hitherto. I am talking past tense and my identity is shifting to becoming free of all that but I am not speaking about my identity I am speaking about what has occured in the past
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John Tettis
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I just want to help people see the beauty I have been blessed with. Knowing all suffering is an illusion - It's hard to watch people suffer.

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