I watched an old interview from 2018 today. I was struck by the wisdom in his words. What are your thoughts on the following quote? "Pain is part of the deal - part of the picture And you can't shy away from it You can't turn away from it It's just real - just live with it, be with it But also there's another side to that Be with that too and then it's more balanced If you try to deny pain, if you try to deny darkness Then you're going down a one-way street And it's a two-way street And I think you have to acknowledge both" - Robert Redford