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Hiatus Update
Greetings, all. Yes, I've been on another long hiatus. My visits here will continue to be sporadic for the foreseeable future. Why? Short answer is: Life. Being a divorced father, full-time job, hobbies (especially writing my book series), chores, several kid's friend's bday parties in a row, etc. Anyway, I'll always wish you all well and glad to see how the society is growing, even if I can't be as much a part of it as I used to.
Fashion Rant: Homeless Ex-Con "Style"
I warned Scott in a comment, and I know we've had our share of rants about "modern fashion", so I'm taking my turn. When waiting to pick up my daughter from school, while I have noticed more men showing up more often to pick up their kids (which is a good thing), I can't help but notice they look so much like most people I see out and about. Basically, like homeless ex-convicts. Ill-fitted clothing, dirty, torn, faded graphic shirts, covered in tattoos, pajama pants, faces like they just escaped the Dust Bowl (no skin care routine or attempt to be clean apart from maybe a nice haircut), sometimes with piercings bigger than a pencil or sharpie marker, etc. Even when I was a kid/teen/20-something, I never saw the appeal in dressing like a slob. Sure, I was into the Goth style for 12 years (from high school until my late 20s), but I made sure it looked good/refined. Even James of GentZ was Goth once upon a time. The closest AI-generated answer search could give is it's just "trendy" to look like trash (partly thanks to the fashion industry). That, in some weird way, it's considered "more masculine", and the worst excuse yet, "showing solidarity to accept ex-cons back into society". While that last one seems well-intended, I think there are far better ways to be supportive than to dress like shit. Sure, it's the first thing we see, so "normalizing it" seems to reduce stigma, but it's detrimental as it overall lowers society's bar for standards. At least with "Lumber-sexual" (as opposed to the metro-sexual trend of 20 years ago), they tried to have kempt beards, neat haircuts, and their style aesthetic made sense. At this point, even athleisure-wear looks more appealing (and I'll never do that to myself). The "homeless ex-con cosplay" as I call it, just comes off as fake and a sorry excuse to "be comfortable" or "give up" in the face of an unfavorable economic era. Personally, I'd rather be intimidating as a well-dressed man with manners (or even seen as "a snob", "judgmental", or "trying too hard"), than some pseudo ex-con you'd approach for a toilet wine recipe and wonder if you'll get shanked. While sadly many end up in prison for totally unjustified reasons, many DO end up there for a good reason.
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@Jo Henderson SMH I never understood the "no belt" fad. Any time I asked, I always heard the "prison bitch availability signal" explanation. Some tried to deny that, but last I checked, prisoners wore jumpsuits, so who knows. I still remember when Shaq was at the height of his pro basketball career, but still never wore a belt. My only theory, at this point, when observing the "pajamas in public" trend, is it's some kind of shock-value appeal to see someone in more intimate attire (whereas no belt showed off underwear for the same effect). So, it's equal parts risqué, and "rebellious". Sure, some also wear pajamas in public for "comfort", or for some nostalgia tied to "pajama day" in grade school... so I guess it really depends on the individual.
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@Alkis Pantazis Indeed, this is the sad but true state of reality. It's especially become more common these days, and the last 10-20 years, compared to, say, the 90s when people were possibly the most open-minded they've ever been in history.
Quote of the Moment #3
Similar to the last one, I have two quotes for us to analyze and share thoughts on: "Ideology itself, may be defined as the illusion of reality, produced by language in the absence of such. From this standpoint, ideology is linguocracy; the capacity of language to produce and impose on others a pseudo-reality that claims to be uniquely valid." ~Kabakov "Once children have been indoctrinated into the expectations of a dominator society, they may never outgrow the need to locate all evil outside themselves. Even as adults they tend to scapegoat others for all that is wrong in the world. They continue to depend on group identification and the upholding of social norms for a sense of well-being." ~Walter Wink, “The Myth of Redemptive Violence” And yes, that's Walter Wink, not White :P I share these at the same time because, in my mind, ideology goes hand in hand with social expectations/norms, and how we handle feelings of in/justice in any given society. That, while our feelings are valid, because they are our personal truths, they can be easily influenced by the masses. To remain an individual and in better control of our own thoughts, it's best to have a well-rounded source of input. What are your thoughts? What is your take-away from these quotes? How have you shaken yourself from a perceived injustice, and changed it to do the right thing instead of seek vigilante compensation? Do you experience people who often only care about pushing an ideology, rather than expanding upon that knowledge? Doesn't have to be anything big, even just mundane experiences.
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@Jo Henderson Exactly... that's a mentally lazy excuse to follow herd mentality.
Entertainment Spotlight: Peaky Blinders
Okay... about to start the 5th episode, and I'm hooked. (Since this original OG S/OG post, I'm now in the 4th season... needless to say, it's been an amazing ride so far). I'd only previously seen clips from this show featured in James' GentZ videos back when we were either in the Lobby or Lounge, and then mentioned again in videos by The Masculine Home that I recently shared. So, I finally decided to watch it. Took me until the end of the first episode and into the second to really pull me in, but it gets good fast. Not bad for a show that started in 2014, and I believe finally ended in 2022. Initial take-away was all the period/setting aesthetic. Absolutely love it. If I ever get my own house again, I'd love to apply the aesthetic of Thomas' room to one of mine (particularly the wallpaper). Especially fond of the post-industrial revolution style in general and how it contrasts with posh accents of wealth and old-world bespoke craftsmanship. I was familiar with Nick Cave's music well before this, so it's a nice bonus. Has anyone else watched this? As I recall, @David Zandar mentioned having watched and much enjoyed it. So far, I highly recommend it. It's like a nice hard shot of extra peaty Scotch after the fine aged wine of "A Gentleman in Moscow". EDIT: As an update to this re-post, I'm dressing like a Shelby/Peaky Blinder for Halloween. Pics to come later this month.
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@Nicholas Logan I agree for the most part. While the magic stuff adds some Gypsy ethnic flair, and it's part of their identity (even started with the first episode with the horse getting "blessed"), it does detract from the overall concept of it being a gritty industrial-era crime-drama. And the fashion, of course. That's what really drew me in the first place (when James of the former GentZ featured clips from the show when discussing fashion).
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Women’s Fashion Through the Eyes of Gentlemen
I want to get your honest thoughts on what men think about women’s style and clothing choices. (There are no right or wrong) With that said, when you think about what a woman is wearing, what makes an outfit appealing or appropriate in different situations — like at work, a night out, or just casually? I’d love to hear not just what you think, but why. For me, what I choose reflects me personally and how I’m feeling that day. Of course, for a special event like a wedding I am dressed for the occasion but with my own personality reflected. Do you think women should dress more for themselves, for comfort, or to meet others’ expectations? Why? I can tell you that I never dress for someone else’s expectations. I know a lot of you post you OOTD, or other days like church or some other reason. No woman has posted an OOTD yet. I might start….but I would like to know how men perceive what women wear. Please share your thoughts. As a Woman I would love the male perspective and input.
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@Renee Migner and @Jason Rochester I think when it comes to the yoga pants argument, again, like with jeans, it depends on how you do it. When I lived in Colorado (I miss it so very much; especially the people), ladies would wear nice boots which matched their fur-lined and well-fitted winter/ski jackets (which would cover the bum/crotch areas; showing only from mid-thigh to mid-shin). Also, SIZE is very important with those types of pants, along with material and color. The darker and less glossy, the better/more modest. The brighter and more glossy, the more attention-grabbing (like hunters wearing orange, but for different reasons). The thinner, again, the more attention-grabbing, but can be negated with an appropriate size, and a darker color and/or jacket to cover. Yes, men are going to look. It's biology. You can't wear something form-fitting/revealing and expect them to ignore a couple hundred thousand years of evolution (especially young men). However, the longer I lived there, the less I noticed because it was so common (it was a HUGE culture shock after moving there from Florida). What they can and SHOULD control is how they act on it. However, the looks which are attracted can go both ways. Sadly, when I worked at Target in Boulder, CO, while I did see many examples of these pants being done correctly, some were borderline biohazard territory; clearly coming from the gym or yoga session, with all rules of hygiene and modesty clearly tossed out the window. No one wants to see/smell that!
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@Jo Henderson I do agree with their outfits resembling pajamas; however, that's quite a step up from what people who wear pajamas in public these days look like. No, I'd say that hasn't been the "American way" for at least 2 decades now. Been going downhill since at least the late 90s. The early 2000s saw the rise of sweat suits and athleisure wear. Since around 2015, it's been the norm to dress down. Way down. I do notice that trend is more popular in liberal places as far as "fashion" goes, though I also saw similar states of low dress in the southeastern U.S. That was for different reasons, though. Most people in the south worked hard labor jobs without much reason to dress up (plus snubbing their nose at those in the north who tended to dress better), but would make an exception for church. Here in California... since around 2015, the "lumbersexual" look came into fashion. Neatly kempt hair and giant beards, with influence from the 1800s, combined with fashion inspired by the grunge look of the 90s. While these days people do still tend to have nice haircuts and kempt facial hair, if you're in the valley, they dress like homeless ex-convicts, but might have tons of tattoos and a nice vehicle to drive. Closer to the coast, it's more nouveaux-riches who might wear high-end logo-splattered clothes, but still not wear a button-down or ironed trousers. Looks more like high-end athleisure wear, though the women more often dress in something nicer (business casual; not exactly pantsuits, but nicer than the average man wearing nice but ambiguously athletic styles, or jeans and t-shirt).
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41. Civil/enviro engineering student. Father, saxophonist, writer, acrylic painter, linguist, philosopher. Former chef and hardware store worker.

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