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How can The West fix Illegal Immigration and Assimilation issues.
I don't understand why European authorities have difficulty effectively addressing this issue. They could permit the use of lethal force if necessary to halt illegal immigration or prioritize mass arrests and deportations although these steps may be controversial. In recent years, many European countries have faced increasing pressure from public opinion regarding immigration, leading to a contentious debate about how to manage these flows. Some argue that allowing for stricter measures could deter illegal entry, while others advocate for more humane approaches. Alternatively, they might consider employing illegal migrants as cheap labor in regulated sectors where they can be monitored. This approach mirrors practices in Gulf states, where cheap laborers are kept separate from the main population in a highly controlled environment. Such a system allows these nations to meet labor demands without the complexities of integration. But, its extremely controversial. In Europe, acknowledging that human rights do not apply uniformly is controversial but brings to light the differing priorities of nations when it comes to immigration policies. Some argue that the rights of citizens should take precedence over those of illegal migrants, especially in contexts where public safety and social cohesion are perceived to be at risk. A more effective approach but extremely controversial for European states would be to distinguish between cheap laborers and unassimilated immigrants, separating them from the core population. This could involve placing these individuals in specific sectors, perhaps in industries that rely heavily on labor but are closely monitored, without granting the possibility of citizenship, as those in these categories may be less likely to assimilate. The focus should instead be on integrating educated and affluent immigrants, who are generally more likely to adapt to and embrace the culture of their new country. For instance, an immigrant engaged in academic or business pursuits often has the skills and background that align well with Western values and societal norms, making it easier for them to assimilate. This contrasts sharply with individuals performing manual labor, who may face barriers to integration due to language, education, or cultural differences.
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@Marco Caruana Thanks for sharing your thoughts — I really appreciate the respectful way you’re engaging. You're right that mixing is important, and genuine integration only happens when people actually learn each other’s ways and build real relationships. But from what I’ve seen, the reality on the ground is more complicated. I’ve spoken to foreigners who came here with literally just the clothes on their backs. Their own “people” — meaning others from their country — had to give them small items to sell because without speaking the local languages, they couldn’t earn an income in any other way. So they stay within their own communities out of survival, not resistance. And in multicultural societies like South Africa, even locals don’t fully mix. We’ve got 11 official languages, and most groups stick to people who share their language, culture, or religion. On the surface everyone respects each other, but socially and economically people rarely cross those boundaries. That means access to opportunity becomes limited to the groups that already have wealth or established networks. It creates a very real imbalance in the country’s overall progression — and that’s not a small thing to overlook. So yes, mixing is necessary, but it doesn’t happen automatically. It needs structure, support, and realistic expectations from both migrants and hosts. Historically that was always the case — whether in Rome, China, or anywhere that managed migration responsibly, integration wasn’t something they left to chance. I appreciate you taking the time to share your view — it’s good to talk to someone who’s open to listening and sharing.
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I agree that conflict isn’t the solution, and helping other countries improve conditions is ideal in theory. The problem is that it’s not something any single country can do effectively or quickly. Fixing another nation’s problems is extremely complex, and meanwhile, migrants will still arrive. Countries have to balance compassion with practical limits — resources, jobs, and social systems can’t simply expand to meet every need. Good intentions aren’t enough; sustainable solutions require realistic policies on the ground.
We love Gazans. We want to save them from Hamas.
We hold no animosity toward the people of Gaza; rather, we feel a deep compassion for them, as our shared humanity connects us. Our criticism is directed solely at Hamas and its extremist ideology, which has influenced many Gazans to sacrifice their children's lives for a futile cause. Why can’t they simply recognize Israel's existence and work toward peaceful coexistence? Israel has never launched an unprovoked attack on Gaza; it has always been Hamas that initiated aggression. Is a singular, unified Palestinian state truly essential? Couldn’t there be a self-governing Palestinian entity under Israeli oversight? Israel might even offer various benefits and support to Palestinians if they acknowledge the rightful place of Jews in the region. Unfortunately, groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and pan-Islamic extremists have led Palestinians to see Jews as eternal enemies. At this juncture, the people of Gaza should recognize Israel as a permanent presence, dismantle Hamas, and adopt liberal democracy alongside Western principles and secularism—these alternatives are far superior to the destructive, death-focused ideology promoted by Hamas.
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Hamas is the real enemy of Palestinian civilians, and part of the reason Hamas keeps power is because Palestinians—whether out of ideology, fear, or resignation—continue to support or enable them. That’s uncomfortable but true.
Welfare or Open Borders: The Impossible Choice
We were told that mass migration would save Europe’s economy; the data proves it is actively bleeding it dry. As an Iranian who left the Middle East to live in a functional, high-trust society, it is surreal to watch the West voluntarily import the very dysfunction I escaped. Official reports from the Netherlands and Denmark confirm what many of us from the region already know but Western politicians are too afraid to say: migrants from the Middle East and North Africa are, statistically, a massive net fiscal burden. The numbers are precise and unforgiving. The Danish Ministry of Finance released data showing that this specific demographic costs the state approximately 24 billion DKK every year. This is not a temporary dip in the ledger. It is a structural deficit caused by a group that consistently consumes far more in social services than they contribute in taxes. In the Netherlands, the findings are equally stark. Government analysis indicates that the net lifetime impact of an average asylum migrant from these regions is deeply negative. While immigrants from advanced Western nations act as economic engines, filling state coffers, the inflow from Islamic countries operates as a financial drain. This is the cold reality of the modern welfare state. You cannot maintain a high-trust, high-benefit society while importing millions of people who are statistically destined to be dependent on it.
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People often claim migration is “bleeding Europe dry,” but the reality is far more complex. Official reports from Denmark and the Netherlands show that some non-Western migrants, especially asylum seekers, can have a negative net fiscal impact in long-term models. But this doesn’t mean all migrants are a burden. Labour migrants, working-age newcomers, and those who integrate effectively often contribute more in taxes than they take in benefits. Fiscal outcomes depend heavily on skills, employment, age, and integration policies — not simply origin. Migration can create challenges, especially during periods of social unrest, but sweeping claims that it is “destroying” Western economies are alarmist and misleading. A careful, evidence-based approach is needed, focusing on integration, opportunity, and social cohesion — not fear-mongering.
The cancer of Islam
A convention with my wife last night . 500 years ago Christians slaughterd south American peoples. Today we can choose to be religious or not. Islam gives you no choice submit or die. A harsh brief statmen but ultimately true .it is the cancer of the western world , that needs painfully cutting out. No debating or procrastinating CUT IT OUT !!!!!!!
@Solar Flare I don’t think Islamist ideologies are fully understood. While many know that most, if not all, aim for global influence, how they pursue it is less discussed. Part of their faith involves spreading Islam. One method is door-to-door preaching in different localities and countries. In South Africa, for example, there are three key mosques—located near the main airports in Cape Town, Durban, and Johannesburg—that play a central role in organizing missionary activity. These mosques coordinate groups of people locally and globally to spread Islam. Typically, the process starts with establishing mosques, then madressas (Islamic education centers) follow. Once communities are established, madressas train future spiritual leaders who help govern these communities and maintain the religious system
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I agree that everyone should be allowed to “spread” their religion, but preaching and coercion are completely different. What I’m talking about is Islamism — the active, systemic push to convert people, not just personal faith. I’ve lived it: I spent 33 years inside Islamic schools, madressas, and jamaat. The goal is not just preaching; it is express conversion. It’s “accept the word or face consequences” — and historically, when Islamists were stronger militarily, that principle was enforced. The West thinks this is outdated, a scrapped law, but for Islamists themselves, nothing about the Prophet Mohammed or the system is outdated. They approach both Muslims and non-Muslims alike, passively or aggressively trying to pull them into the ideology. In my experience in South Africa, I’ve never seen a Christian stand outside their church and force their way on someone who refuses; Muslims are taught no such boundary exists. Every conversation about God becomes a negotiation, not mutual respect or healthy debate. I’ve studied Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, and Christianity as well. None of them have imperialism built into doctrine the way Islamism teaches it in Islam. None mandate expansion, conquest, or political domination as a religious duty. This is a unique feature of Islamist ideology — Islam as a totalizing system, combining faith, law, and governance, with explicit strategies to convert and expand. Look at the Netherlands — one of the most legally and socially liberal countries in the world. They tried to ban the burqa. It failed. You hear about “educated Muslims migrating”? Most of the time, the educated cheat the system. They use legal, financial, and professional knowledge as leverage, sometimes exploiting people and companies to build political or financial clout. Foreigners who integrate poorly often ignore local laws because they have access to multiple countries. Drug networks, illegal markets, and even violence are tools for some to succeed — and this is not just rumor; I’ve seen parts of this first-hand.
Muslim invasion to Europe
How come european leaders allow the muslim invasion to Europe?
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@Yamiel Aurion Fair enough — migration isn’t an ‘invasion’ in the military sense. But focusing on terminology avoids the substantive issues: unmanaged legal migration, asylum abuse, and illegal immigration all strain housing and services, and weak integration undermines shared civic norms
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I don’t think Islamist ideologies are fully understood. While many know that most, if not all, aim for global influence, how they pursue it is less discussed. Part of their faith involves spreading Islam. One method is door-to-door preaching in different localities and countries. In South Africa, for example, there are three key mosques—located near the main airports in Cape Town, Durban, and Johannesburg—that play a central role in organizing missionary activity. These mosques coordinate groups of people locally and globally to spread Islam. Typically, the process starts with establishing mosques, then madressas (Islamic education centers) follow. Once communities are established, madressas train future spiritual leaders who help govern these communities and maintain the religious system
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