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On the Inevitability of Religion
I see some anti-religion sentiment here. Religion can be and has been many things. To say all religion is evil, to me, misses a central point: mankind needs a Transcendent ideal, something beyond ourselves to give us meaning and purpose. Excise that, we have a vacuum in our souls which will be filled, one way or another. The atheistic, materialist surrogates are, however, arguably far worse. Nietzsche was a good diagnostician, but the idea that we would reach Humanity 2.0 by filling that void with our own self-constructed values was dead wrong. In a way, we can't run away from religion, and these "religions" (like Marxism) have a dreadful track record. I don't think it's too far a reach to say that religion is inevitable. The West secularized itself, in part because of a kind of collective PTSD. In doing so, it created a nihilistic, materialistic, listless populace. Anxiety and depression are through the roof. But even more telling is a simple fact: it seems more and more clear that materialist, secularized society loses the will to replicate itself. Birthrates are below replacement, sometimes way below (witness South Korea). So, someone can rail against religion, but cut out religion, a society will craft surrogates and also drift towards self-oblivion. It will commit suicide, implode. In other words, you can't have the elements that make a culture vibrant, which make a culture flourish, without religion (broadly understood). It's like a lobotomy. The idea might be to excise antisocial behavior, but you also render the person a dull vegetable, a husk.
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@Carol Brooks Furthermore, I have never found a secular/materialist basis for ethics that passes PHILOSOPHICAL muster. Perhaps the most internally coherent I've seen is Stephan Molyneux's Universally Preferable Behavior. But it has some fatal flaws: according to UPB, stealing a Snickers bar and murder are both wrong. But his algorithm has absolutely no way to grade the severity of moral wrongs. Also, UPB doesn't satisfactorily address why I should care. After all, we don't act morally or otherwise because something does or does not comply with a formula. So, in short, I have never seen any system of secular ethics which can truly answer why I shouldn't be a mass murderer if I really really want to.
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@Carol Brooks Lastly, yes, there are many moral atheists whose moral structures are actually profoundly Judeo-Christian. On a societal level, a society might ride on the fumes of that basis for some time, but the point is that secularism will inevitably lead to its implosion and suicide.
What Makes Civilizations Admirable AND Robust
So, at my work (I'm an accountant auditing public companies, and do my scribing on the side) we've been integrating Chat GPT. We actually have to use it a certain amount of times per day. Due to the seasonal fluxes, not long ago I found myself with some unassigned time, so I wrote (with Chat GPT's august help) a mini-book. The thought was something like this: I've read books which touch upon what makes a culture admirable, and books about what makes cultures durable. I've never really seen a heuristic which synthesizes the two. So, in this scheme, we have four variables, or dials. Any culture can "score" higher or lower in each of these, and there's a composite "grade." The four dials are: its treatment of vulnerable life, the degree of freedom it allows, the competence with which it conducts everyday affairs, and above all the moral ecology by which it forms human beings and transmits meaning across generations. By cranking this through various cultures today and throughout history, some interesting things emerged regarding what makes cultures flourish, what makes cultures admirable, and what makes cultures decline and collapse. It was great fun putting together. If anyone's interested, enjoy!
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@Torah Worldwide Mainstream academic history has become all too much so damn sterile. As if we can't learn anything from history. It's another one of those things in which the "common man" with a dollop of common sense knows something the prevailing academic dogma denies. Yes, we can discern meta-principles in history. Yes, we can learn from history.
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@Nikos Sakkas I'll have to think on that one. It kind of fits into some extra variable, like significance of a civilization in terms of broader impact.
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so recently I started working in a new job and noticed that I have'nt got much time or energy to be here in this community and contribute even a little bit to it or even focus on some of the issues discussed here and on athiest republic with the same level of attention and priority even though some of them are extremely important issues and I've started thinking to myself even before the new job but for some odd reason more after starting it (without any direct context actually) about not seeing almost any content or more importantly discussions inside israel about islam with muslims in hebrew(or arabic) so I just started thinking if we should start having more of them here because usually we are seeing such things discussed in english or by israelis who do speak about them with muslims and arabs who speak english which are very important of course but I was just wondering if we should also have them in here , for example content like what david wood and ap and atheist republic are doing or things like tommy robinson does, yes we deffenitly have people like idit bar or mordechai keidar which are more academia people or t'zvi yehezkeli who is a journalist you people like tal from the traveling clatt or sahar tv schooling islamists about their own religon but have yet to see any hebrew videos talking about all of the escapades of muhamad (or maybe even more importantly in arabic directed towards arabs and muslims living in israel or around israel), like the very interesting story of Al Zutt so to get to the bottom of the post what do you think this ?
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Not sure how relevant this is, but I recently started listening to Raymond Ibrahim on YouTube and have his book Sword and Scimitar in my Amazon cart.
On Islam
I was recently on a business trip in Toronto and chatted with a guy in the hotel, forget his name, from Dubai. Lovely guy, very friendly. I'd call him a nominal Muslim. The best kind. I recently put together a pamphlet just quoting from the Quran, with a little of my sometimes spicy commentary. Maybe I'll post it here. It's called Know Thine Enemy. The idea is to dismantle the notion that jihad isn't central to Islam, or the attempt to redefine it, obfuscating its paramount feature of violent conquest. Showing that at the core, Islam is a violent, aggressive religion. Even Chat GPT has lied about these matters, and I had to run the system in loops before I could get it to admit that defensive war includes the Muslims inviting the non-Muslims to accept Islam, and the non-Muslims telling them to bugger off. Then it's "defensive jihad." At first it felt weird: here I am, chatting with this guy for half an hour, really liking him, but wondering how he would react if I told him what I really think about Islam. I mean, the guy drinks alcohol, does other "haram" things, but his whole cultural background is Islamic. Is it like someone insulting the football team of your city even if you don't watch all that much football, but you still feel team solidarity? Then there's the Iranian Uber driver who hates the Iranian regime with a passion. The guy got an advanced degree in mechanical engineering, and left because no jobs. He said that he and 80% of the population were cheering Israel on during the recent war (which will flare up again, almost undoubtedly). I don't know how religious the guy is personally, and we didn't talk about that, but my impression was he's also a nominal Muslim. I recently realized: I HATE Islam. I don't hate many things. I think Islam is a demonic system that needs to be dismantled, root and branch. I think the biggest problem in the Islamic world is Islam. And yet, I find myself liking individual Muslims, mainly the nominal Muslims. There will be more and more of these. Part of this is the information pipeline, so that you have thousands of young people in Pakistan listening to David Wood and others. Muslims have been insulated against challenges to their religion, to the virtuousness of their prophet, to the inerrancy of the Quran ("perfectly preserved"). This has broken down, and it is a good thing.
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@Ziv Atad I agree; that makes good sense. Also, most Muslims are actually shockingly ignorant about Islam.
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@Jewish Samantha It's hard to gauge how many Muslims there are. Yes, 1.8 billion- on paper. Yet, especially among the younger generations, how many of these are Muslims in name and cultural background only? That's hard to know, because it's not exactly conducive to a Muslim's health in most Muslim countries to say "I'm an atheist" or "I'm thinking about becoming a Christian" or "I don't think Muhammad was such a great guy." It's possible that if by Muslim we mean "serious," observant Muslim, that 1.8 billion gets whittled down by half or more.
Stop calling it a religion
Islam supports and promotes pedophilia and bestiality. Anyone that supports or promotes Islam is supporting and promoting pedophilia and bestiality. Islam is not a religion, it is a totalitarian ideology bent on global domination and it has no place in civilized society.
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I have thought about this and nevertheless would call it a religion. There are two ways to approach this, depending on how we define religion. If we understand "religion" as a comprehensive world-outlook (Weltanschauung), with something clearly at the pinnacle of the values hierarchy, coupled with a praxeology, or a set of prescriptive (not only descriptive) norms governing behavior, it could be said that we have a religion. Marxism would fit the bill. If, on the other hand, we require a transcendent component in that world-outlook, it's also reasonable. I might still say Marxism fits the bill, because that "man as he is supposed to be" is a kind of transcendent ideal, the synthesis the dialectic of history is moving towards. Yes, Marx said he was flipping Hegel on his head, but he was a fraud. At any rate, I would say Islam is a religion, but a very, very bad one.
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@Adrian Hicks And the Aztec religion had, as a central component, ripping the hearts out of human sacrifices in the tens of thousands captured mainly in violent raids of surrounding areas. It was a religion, but a very bad one.
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Accountant, scribe, rabbi, father, husband, from CA, lived in Israel for 20+ years, now in NJ. Iconoclastic tendencies within a search for truth

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