I tried what you had mentioned before, @Draven Grey, in just recording every other line during a vocal take. The difference is night and day. It's so much easier to get good takes! Thanks for the tip.

I've learned a lot here about the three main ingredients of grit: Compression Constriction and Acoustics. I just want to make sure that I'm not mistaking exactly what a hyoid pull is. I've seen you describe it as being like a gain knob on an amp or distortion dedal for a guitar. The idea of a gain know being that as you turn it up, you get more distortion. So many vocal coaches using different terminology has probably been the biggest soure of confusion I've had over various singing-related concepts and I think that holds true for the hyoid pull as well. I just want to be certian that a hyoid pull is what I think it is. For instance, some coaches describe how to create grit as singing while holding back air at the same time. The idea of holding air back while you sing is what I was taught compression is. The reason for my uncertianty about if I really understand what a hyoid pull is, is that the more air I hold back the more the amount of grit increases - like a gain knob. In essence, before becoming acquainted with your terminiology, i pretty much thought of my gain knob for singing with grit being how much air I hold back. The word I was taught for how much air I hold back is "compression." I think in Estill, I think the term they use for that is "restriction." The more I restrict my air, the distortion I get. So it really is like a gain knob to me. If I want more disotortion, I hold back more air or "restrict" more air the more gain or distortion I get. This makes me wonder if maybe this is the hyoid pull! Before arriving at the conclusion that maybe a hyoid pull is the same as air restriction, I thougt a hyoid pull was literally pulling some part of my anatomy around the base of my throat. The problem I had with that is that when I did it, it created sort of a choking feeling and it sounded kind of like I was slightly choking. My singing felt considerablty less "free" when I did this than when I sang clean. So, is a hyoid pull simply a way of describing holding back air while you sing or "restriction" of air?

It seems to me that it would be helpful everyone in this community to learn to distinguish between compressed and. decompressed grit and how different acoustic placements sound when different singers use them. Lots of people do fry screams, but many of them end up sounding very different. A singer that has recently gained quite a lot of attention among the "first time reactors" is an artist named MAPHRA singing a cover of a song by BTH titled "Doomed.": Between 1:11 and 1:32 into this video of MAPHRA gets a unique sounding grit. I've seen various vocal coaches claim they were giing to analyze her technique. Some came up with things that sounded somewhat close but didn't really sound right. Others, even one coach who claims to specialize in distortion attempted no analysis of her grit technique. I would guess that MAPHRA is using fry scream for her unique type of grit but I would love to know. Where does her technique for grit fall on the compressed to decompressed spectrum? Is there a lot of constriction (hard hypid pull) or only a ight amount of constriction (light hyoid pull)? Where is her acoustic placement? I think the better we get at being able to identify what techniques singers are using and how those techniques vary in sound. depending on which vocalists are using them, the better we'll get at deciding how to create the sound that we're going for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6L-GUOAhGo

I've learned a lot about the hyoid pull in this community and it definitely works, but I am kind of getting the idea that it is impossible to create distortion without a hyoid pull when actually, you are the first coach I've seen mention a hyoid pull. I read Raise Your Voice by Jamie Vendera. I saw no mention of a hyoid pull or anything similar in the book. Yet other coaches get their grit with twang instead, such as CVT certified coach Mateus Sibila, who demonstrates how to create grit only using twang in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAugpkANBOc Instead of using a hyoid pull, he uses twang to create grit for singing. The thing I find appealing about this is that he says that in addition to creating grit, twang helps get rid of unwanted breathiness from our voice for singing or screaming. He elaborates: "Twang is created by narrowing the epiglottic funnel which amplifies and compresses the sound. Twang also helps to set the position of our throat, larynx, palate and tongue for getting a healthy distortion to scream and sing with rasp. Examples of bands are Guns N' Roses, Alice In Chains, Godsmack and many others including Metallica." Finally, Aliki Katriou says that Kargyraa is her favorite way to create false fold distortion, since unlike the other two ways, it is direct - not passive. She likes that the main pro of Kargyraa is it gives you the most muscular control and says the main downside to it is the pitch range you're able to achieve with it.

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