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MMT vs Positive Money: Similarities and Differences
In the below link there is an excellent discussion about the two heterodox ways of looking at money and its role in the economy. Both MMT and Positive Money (PM) accept that the state is capable of creating and spending fiat money in order to serve the public purpose, constraint only by resources availability and inflation. However, whereas MMT favors maintaining the present banking system and focuses on fiscal policy in managing economic activity, PM argues in abolishing banking money creation and keeping only the sovereign aspect. For PM sovereign money puts an end to endogenous money creation by commercial banks and does away with reserves altogether. Thus, “a Sovereign Money System would end the split between the two money circuits that currently exist: one circuit of reserves, accessed only by banks and the central bank, and one of bank deposits, used by the general public. In a Sovereign Money system, citizens and banks access the same single money circuit.” Conversely, MMT does not propose ending the endogenous money creation by commercial banks, but instead emphasizes the primary role of the state as originator of the money supply. https://positivemoney.org/2018/09/modern-monetary-theory-and-positive-money/
0 likes • May '23
@Ronald Vormwald Not sure what you meant by the claim "The gov creates money by running a deficit, not by issuing bonds". Could you please explain?
Laffer curve
#Week 2 Masterclass Recording Have you derived the Laffer curve, government tax income vs tax rate, in Minsky? Or did I just give myself a Minsky exercise? The Laffer thesis is that a high tax rate reduces productivity and therefore tax income, a 100% tax would make a dead economy. A lower rate increases productivity therefore increasing income to tax, but zero tax rate would mean zero tax income, the tax rate to maximize government tax income is somewhere in between. I have never seen an analysis of where the max is. Art Laffer implies that the max is way lower than the current rate.
1 like • Apr '23
Discussions about "the tax rate" are often full of nonsense. First, it is quite complicated to calculate it, because there are various different taxes and tax-like payments. Second, some taxes are immediately returned to the population (for example in the form of free or low cost education, healthcare and such). Third, labour in the West is nowadays taxed more heavily than profits, rents, and other capital income. Fourth, there are taxes that target pollution, unhealthy food, etc., and many of those might actually be quite useful. Just to compress all the relevant aspects into some general "tax rate" in 2023(!) is trivializing the real problems, and is often just ideologically motivated propaganda. Now, of course, all other things being equal, the tax rate should preferably be as low as possible, the tax system should be simple and predictable, and without excessive bureaucracy. It should not introduce excessive friction into the economy, and it should support the right type of initiative and discourage the wrong type. It should also be designed in a way that makes tax evasion very difficult and risky, and not some kind service that the super-rich can buy from professional tax law experts.
A monetary reformer that wants some economic background
Hello everyone, My name is Johan Zijlstra and I'm from The Netherlands. I have been active for the monetary reform movement 'Ons Geld' since the beginning and have been fascinated by money as far as I can remember. Because of events and conditions I haven't had a proper education pasted my failed high school, but during Business Administration I noted that there wasn't much thought given to how money was created. It still feels strange that a video called 'Money as Debt' once put my life around and that now my favorite economist, Steve Keen, is still one of the few economists out there that can explain how money is created. In The Netherlands there are a lot of people against Central Bank Digital Currencies. As monetary reformer I also would have like to have seen a different approach, but it seems that there is a change that CBDC could lead to a system change where money is created without debt attached to it. That being said, I was wondering how people on this Skool / forum / in this Community see money. Do you see a way for money to be debt-free and where do you think the states / governments fit in in these scenario's?
1 like • Apr '23
@Alwyn Lewis I meant that just introducing a CBDC, without any other policy changes, would not bring any real changes to the economy or to the lives of ordinary people. As far as I understand, the system would function just like any other bank account from the customers' point of view. It would essentially be equivalent to the current system. By stating this, I am not voicing an opinion against introducing CBDC's. It could, and probably would, be useful in loosening the grip of private companies on national economies, but without implementing other changes in economic and monetary policies, there will not be really meaningful changes. What I am worried about, is that people are pinning too many hopes on this thing, which I view mostly a technicality, while the real burning issues of various national economies, and the life on this planet in general, are elsewhere.
0 likes • Apr '23
Also, the aspect of CDBC's being "debt free", seems illusory to me. I don't really buy that part of the claim. Of course a CBDC account could be used as a means to distribute helicopter money, or universal basic income, but those aspects I would consider policy changes, which are quite independent of the money being deposited on a CBDC account. Any personal bank account could be used for those purposes.
Should I expand the number of lectures?
Rebecca Gorman's comment (are you still in the group, Rebecca) highlighted something I'm conscious of myself: that I'm cramming too much information into too few lectures. I expanded the number from 7 to 10 just to (a) enable me to separate Ravel from Minsky, and add lectures (b) on what microeconomics should be and (c) the flaws in Neoclassical economics. Should I go further, for the sake of people's comfort in absorbing my material?
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2 likes • Apr '23
10 is probably better than 7, but I'm not sure how much more than 10 would be ideal. Perhaps the optimum is somewhere between 10 and 12. Some kind of quick list with explanations for relevant concepts (for each lecture or the whole lecture series) might be good, although I'm not sure if such a list already exists, or not.
0 likes • Apr '23
@Cliff Hall Actually I think that part was very important and interesting. People need to know how the software business operates. There are plenty of people who work for years in some project, which the management just suddenly cuts, for whatever reason.
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