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CA GOV CODE 6254.21 - Tax Collector Masking Assessee's complete Info
This property happens to be in LA County. General Question; Have the actual property address already; How can you quickly obtain the property owners name(s) and their mailing address info for where their PROPERTY tax bill is being mailed when searching a property tax bill. When the LA County tax office shows this statement on their ONLINE accessed tax bills? ASSESSEE NAME AND ADDRESS ARE NOT AVAILABLE ONLINE PER CA GOV CODE §6254.21 Must your FIST go to the Registar - Recorder and locate their DEED to the property which will show their unredacted Names and APN # for the property and THEN confirm their association with the subject property? OR ??? is there a quicker way. We've been taught by Ellis and others that just because a tax bill is being mailed to a certain Mailing Address, does not mean they actually OWN the property itself.
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@Michael Morrongiello Hey Michael, I'm also in LA County. I'll cross reference what propstream or other data sites will have as the mailing address. What I've come across is that yes the mailing address will be not updated. Sometimes it'll go to an accountant or office that may or may not be there anymore. If the skiptrace for the subject property isnt giving me enough info, I'll see if i can get a hit on the mailing address. That usually atleast gives me where the person of interest is at currently even though they might not live in the mailing address property. I'll also look for chain of address history and if it matches all the prior properties we've already skiptraced.
Intro and looking to JV on a 50/50 split interest lot
Hello all. Just joined this group. I have been investing since 2021, and dabbled for a few years before that. I am mainly into wholesaling an wholetailing land, but get a lot of messy title deals, so it's always been a part of my business in one way or another. I focus on the inland empire of Southern California, though I've done deals across this state and a few others. The first deal I ever did was a messy title deal, and ever since then I have had an appetite for it. As for my deal I am looking to partner on: .39 acre lot with an after clean-up value of $130,000. taxes, liens owed less than $5k. $20k trash out. I am all-in for $1000 so far. Looking for an experienced partner who can navigate a wild deed in the title chain, and the other owner who may or may not own 50 percent of the interest.
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Hey Steve, just DM'd you!
California Probate Code you should know
Before probate closes, an heir/beneficiary doesn't own specific real property they hold an expectant, contingent interest in the estate (a right to eventual distribution). You can't get a deed to the house itself yet. What you can acquire is an assignment of the heir's beneficial interest basically, you step into their shoes as the person entitled to whatever they would have received when the estate is distributed. This is done through a private purchase/assignment agreement, sometimes coupled with a "notice of assignment" filed with the probate court so the personal representative and court know to distribute to you (or your entity) instead of the heir. The governing statute: Cal. Probate Code § 11604.5 This is the key law you need to know cold. It applies specifically when a transferee acquires a beneficiary's interest "for value" (cash or other consideration) and it applies with extra scrutiny if you, as the buyer, regularly engage in purchasing beneficial interests in estates for consideration
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Is the general rule to wait until the creditor-claim period has expired before buying an AOBI? My thinking is that by then, we should have a much clearer picture of the estate’s total liabilities, the property’s likely sale value, and therefore the beneficiary’s expected net distribution. Similar to underwriting a foreclosure, we’d have a better idea of the debt/equity position before deciding what we’re willing to pay for the beneficial interest. Or is it common to buy AOBIs earlier in the probate and simply price in the risk of additional creditor claims?
Property in Winnetka CA
Got in touch with a sister of the owner on title. Property is Tax defaulted. 30k behind. 800k Zestimate. She says her brother is difficult to work with and deals with mental issues. Claiming potentially schizophrenic. Because of her relationship with her brother, it's not something she can go down and talk to him. I'm seeing she might be able to do a temporary conservatorship pretty rapidly in order to save the house by encumbering it then later working the logistics to sell the property but even then she's on the fence and leaning towards distancing herself from the situation. Does anyone have attorney referrals for this?
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What top 3 questions you ask a probate attorney
I may be bringing some legal professionals to future calls. What top 3 questions would you ask if I was paying for your consultation?
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When an assignee purchases 100% of the heirs' beneficial interests before a probate is opened, there is significant risk because the estate's net value is often unknown and could ultimately be zero after debts, unknown liens, taxes, and administration expenses. 1)If the estate later turns out to have substantial equity, how does a California probate judge evaluate the fairness of the assignment? 2)Specifically, does the court focus primarily on the price paid at the time of the assignment in light of the known risks and uncertainties, or does it also consider the assignee's eventual profit after the estate is administered? 3)Is it then only wise to purchase beneficial interest when probate has been opened and credit claims are in?
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@Chris Yunakov I cant really answer this, especially outside of LA county. My understanding is that the court can refuse to order distribution under the assignment if it finds the consideration grossly unreasonable or the transaction was obtained through fraud, duress, or undue influence. There are also specific disclosure and filing requirements for these agreements. My assumption so far is that the full due diligence of credit and debts cannot be done until probate has gone through that stage.
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