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24 contributions to BioOptimization Collective
NAD oral verses injecting
What do you think is better. Here is Bio coach Bill answer! Oral NAD+ products have the advantage of being easy, convenient, and better suited for daily use, but NAD+ itself may be poorly absorbed orally, so products often use precursors like NR or NMN that the body converts into NAD+. Injected NAD+ bypasses the digestive tract and delivers NAD+ directly into the body, producing much higher immediate exposure, but it’s more expensive, invasive, and can cause injection-related side effects. The big catch is that while both approaches can affect NAD+ levels, we still don’t have strong human evidence proving that injections produce better long-term health or longevity outcomes than a consistent oral precursor strategy.
Monday Win Wall — Show Me What The Scale Doesn't
Last week I asked whether you'd rather see 15 lbs on the scale, or 8 lbs of fat gone with 5 lbs of muscle added. A lot of you picked recomposition. Good instinct. Now let's actually track it. Starting today, every Monday is Win Wall in here. Not goals. Not plans. Wins. Something real from the last 7 days that proves the work is working, even when the scale didn't move. Doesn't have to be big: - A lift that finally moved up - Pants that fit different - Sleep that didn't wreck you - A craving you didn't give in to - A lab number trending the right direction - Showing up on a day you didn't want to Drop yours below. One sentence is enough. If you don't have one this week, that's fine too just tell us what you're working on, and someone in here has probably already solved it. I'll go first: Showing up and getting it in even though I was struggle bussing. This is how the board actually moves. Not by waiting for the big transformation photo. By stacking weeks like this one. 👇 What's your win this week?
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My win was working out 6 days while on vacation missed a couple but felt good about it!! Stay positive and add up the wins!!
Ghkcu, Klow & Glow
I am currently 4 weeks in with GHKCU. I plan to take a couple of weeks off after 12 weeks since my research has suggested that. I’ve been looking at Glow and Klow. I am considering going with glow or Klow when I am ready to start Ghkcu again. Is anyone else doing Glow or Klow? Which would you recommend?
0 likes • Jul 10
Hi quick question on why klow and glow? Are you having pain or in need of repair? Give me a bit more data on why the Glow what are you looking to do with is product. If it's hair nails skin then GHK-CU is perfect for that.
1 like • Jul 11
For your gut I’d suggest oral Bpc-157 and skin your right ghk-cu
allergic reaction for second cycles
i started a second cycle of GHK, CJC and BPC. I started breaking out in hives all over my core- they look like huge mosquito bites. has anyone else had this reaction? what is the remedy? after about 20 mins it stops itching and the hives go away. i thought it was attributed to one peptide but didnt inject what i thought it was tonight and my reaction is worse. i’m going to take time off - like 2 months- and see if my system clears. has this happened to anyone else? i don’t seem to have a reaction from reta- but the others are causing a flare up. looking for feedback/advice. thanks!!
0 likes • Jul 10
Injecting GHK-Cu and BPC-157 at the same time may increase the total immune and local tissue stimulus, potentially triggering mast-cell histamine release that appears as itching, redness, swelling, or hives. However, this reaction is not a proven or predictable interaction between the two peptides—it could also reflect sensitivity to either compound, the copper component, an excipient, contamination, or the reconstituted product. Tolerating retatrutide does not rule this out because it is a different molecule and formulation. Also give me your dose amount of each. They may be to large.
0 likes • Jul 11
@Liz Staab just to be clear 10 on the insulin needle or 100 on it?
Sermorelin
Does anyone use Sermorelin? I’m curious as to what your experience has been. I’m specifically looking at it for sleep and recovery.
0 likes • Jul 10
Sermorelin may support sleep and recovery by encouraging the pituitary to produce a more natural nighttime growth-hormone pulse. Some people report deeper sleep, better morning energy, less soreness, and improved workout recovery, but the benefits are gradual and inconsistent. Ipamorelin may provide a stronger growth-hormone signal, especially when paired with a GHRH peptide, but it is not proven to be superior for sleep. DSIP, or delta sleep-inducing peptide, is aimed more directly at sleep and is often discussed for improving deep sleep, reducing nighttime awakenings, and supporting recovery through better sleep quality. However, human research is limited and inconsistent, so I would consider it experimental rather than a reliable insomnia treatment. For someone focused on both sleep and recovery, sermorelin targets the growth-hormone/recovery side, while DSIP targets sleep more directly. But hormone balance should be checked first to see if your in need of other help
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Bill Haynes
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Going on 65. Just remember you never have to grow old!

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