@George Cartlidge I should imagine so yes I think the key to it all is just stop complying with there methods if you fight them in there system you lose because your in there system, that’s a no win fight. If you go to your employer snd ask to be self employed and don’t contact hmrc then your not in there system your only in the the system when you have first point of contact it really is that simple , it only becomes hard when you play there pathetic games I’m a living man by my lawful birth date and they will never accept that but that’s only because they want me in there system , e wry point if co tact is compliance, I know how to stop council and they only after a few letters they will back because I do not comply