Last fall I'd noticed that my sleep had started to shift. While I was finding it easy to fall asleep I was waking earlier over a period of time; 6am became 5, which eventually became 3-4am each day. My workouts were still great, I'd finished a bulking cycle and did a 6 week minicut just fine and my labs were solid. Each night though when 7pm rolled around I was just beat to hell; I'm 50 with a 10 and 7yo that just won't cut it. I started taking epithalon 2.5mg/day for 20 days and it did reset my sleep but it took time. While taking it I found that getting to sleep was often more difficult and I was waking up every 1-2hrs every night. This got better towards the end of the 20 days but never cleared up. Honestly I felt like even worse hell over that 20 days but wanted to stick it out. Near the end of the 20 days I was sleeping up to 6-7am. It took about a month AFTER I started taking it to stop waking up as often at night. I'm now 2 months post Epi and sleep is really good. I fall asleep well and stay asleep well in comparison to my baseline history. Normally now I'm getting up around 6:30am feeling well and can even sleep in closer to 8 if I have the freedom after a rough week. I'm planning another round late spring to early summer. It's possible that my sleep issues have to do with northern climates and seasonal changes.

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