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ICM workspaces now run inside any browser chatbot (Real Estate video example below)
Sometimes when I'm on the go, I don't want to spin up Cursor or Claude on mobile because I don't have the time to think through the prompt or my workspace, and I don't want to waste the tokens on my mobile device. But something I'm constantly doing is telling Gemini (in Google search), or Haiku (in duck.ai) to not: - Lie - Ground its answer 100% on facts - No abbreviations - No Jargon ... and so on. You get the point, and I started thinking it would be really nice if I could use a workspace in the browser, but then I hit two road blocks: 1. The browser only accepts files, not folders. ICM is files and folders, so there's nothing to upload. 2. Even if I get it in there, how do I get the chatbot to actually walk the workspace instead of just reading it? Both are solvable: Roadblock 1: one file, not a folder. I was hoping the browser agents would accept a markdown file, but that didn't work and the ai model would respond with a timeout. Then I tried a text file, same problem. Then I noticed that models would accept PDF as a format. So then, I flatten the whole workspace into a single file, stamping each file's path at the top of its contents so the model can still tell the stages apart. Nothing is lost. The router, the stage contracts, the references are all there, in order, in one upload. Roadblock 2: getting the chatbot to run the workspace. I put one instruction at the very top of the flattened file: when my message starts with >, treat everything after it as the request and walk the workspace on it. Then I upload the file, type > and whatever I need, and the chatbot runs the pipeline instead of describing it. So now, on my phone, from a plain browser tab: > how far is the moon from earth comes back ground-in-facts, no jargon, no abbreviations, every rule I wrote once, applied automatically. No Cursor, no app, no wasted tokens. So, at first I wrote a workspace that prevents drift and I don't have to repeat myself. Then I got to thinking, this would be nice for typing in a city, and getting the latest news, city stats, real estate postings etc by using this, and this idea would really stress test if this concept works on ai search.
ICM workspaces now run inside any browser chatbot (Real Estate video example below)
2 likes • 7h
@Don Roy Hey! Yup, I agree. I just like to have something that I want to use in the browser as well. I'll usually use termux from my phone to trigger different icm workspaces on my home server. My big thing I've been trying to do since I've found ICM is I've been trying to break it. Literally. I've been trying to find ways to use ICM in unorthodox ways in an llm to see if this methodology literally adheres in any environment, even if it's restricted like the browser. So my thought was, since Gemini and duck.ai all use llm in the browser with an intense amount of guardrails (rightfully so). I wonder if I could get ICM(ish since it's flatten folders into a pdf) to work in the browser that's not flexible at all. I thought for certain, this wouldn't be achievable. But one thing started working, then another started working and next thing I knew, ICM can work in the browser. So, know I can control the footnote window in google chrome chat window using icm. I can control the format of its output. I have even more control in the duck duck go browser ai since Haiku is available and google dorks hyperlinked in the ai response. This is like a different flavor of bookmarklets or browser extensions, but with AI.
1 like • 7h
@Don Roy I was really hoping the browsers would accept an md file type. No luck. Both browsers would throw an error. Then I tried txt file next. Same issue. But PDF is fine. I'm assuming this is to prevent hacking the system prompt but cool to know ICM still works in search!
Kimi K3 is out and damn it looks good
So the official launch video released about 2 hours ago, here's the link: https://youtu.be/bn0atstgavo?si=6SIAUKYAQBVIQ4N0 Also, the link to the article: https://www.kimi.com/blog/kimi-k3 First off, this has genuinely surprised me, a 3 Trillion parameter model that isn't open source, but it is open weight (Coming July 27th). The bench marks are insane, beating models like Fable and 5.6 Sol. A quick side note, do not trust bench marks blindly, start using personalized bench marks which relate to your field. If you're a web designer, get the models to go through your process and analyze the output of each model, different models have different advantages. The article has some insane use cases, mainly the 3d Open World, I don't know how many prompts or what framework they ran it with but it still looks quite good. Another interesting point, Kimi K3's article points out it's editing and visual effects capability, including motion graphics. Quite some potential there. The API pricing with a few comparisons of what I feel like are the top models are below: (Name: Input/Output per million tokens) Kimi K3: $3.00/$15.00 Fable: $10/$50 GPT 5.6 Sol: $5.00/$30.00 Caveats to each: Kimi K3: - Relatively more expensive for a Chinese model. - It doesn't always stay on task when there's a lot of context. - If you're switching to Kimi K3 mid session with a lot of context, it may get lost. - Quite slow by the only provider up right now, 28 tokens/second (About half the speed of fable and sol) Fable: - Usage limits finish faster than the tokens it generates. GPT: - Multiple cases of important files or entire code bases being deleted, back to 2025 we go!
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Gah, I planned on taking the evening off! You're killing me @Shirsho Guha lol
Is anyone commercializing ICM as a Product or SaaS?
I am running an ICM knowledge base for my engineering company using GitHub, VS Code, and Claude Code. The efficiency gains in our workflows have been massive, and I see a clear opportunity to offer this to other regional companies as a new business unit. ​However, this dev-centric stack creates too much friction to be presented directly as a product to non-technical clients. ​The model I envision starts with heavy consulting to align the client's processes and culture. Once maturity is reached, it transitions into a managed service: issue tracking, periodic context pruning, and ad-hoc consulting for new agentic features. ​Has anyone here successfully commercialized this philosophy? I am particularly interested in how you package the delivery and abstract the technical friction (like the IDE and repo management) for the end user. Are there platforms already solving this?
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@Jim Tyndall the shrugging off part of your message is something I can definitely relate to. For 3 months I've automated a lot of my position as an engineer. That's cool don't get me wrong. And that was the easy part. The hard part has been constant demos and explanations. And even after the demos and explanations and consistent, quality output. People are just now getting curious about it. But to be honest, its wearing me down. I think the most important aspect of this that I've learned is not the ai, but the process of convincing others of something that's great. Because it doesn't matter how good something you have is. What matters is the audience you have to spread the message for you. For context. I've built a production grade chatbot that scales following a lot of these principles, and now I'm helping coworkers automate a lot using ICM. From what I can tell, the evangelizing of others is what is giving me traction. Finally! But to circle back, I think people are drowning in everyones snake oil and we're providing the life raft, but that raft is covered in the snake oil from trying to pull them out. Any who, I totally can relate!
How Can I Automate an Loan Origination Software Without API Access?
Hey everyone! I’m building my first automation for my mortgage business and could use some advice. 💾 I use LendingPad, but my brokerage doesn’t give me API access. Because of that, I’m looking for another way to automate updates inside the system. 🤖 I was thinking about browser automation, but Codex’s computer control seems pretty token-heavy. I also looked into Hermes Agent, but I’m not sure if that’s the right direction. 🛠️ What tools would you recommend for automating a loan origination system without API access? Browser control, RPA, desktop automation, or something else? 🔐 Security is also a big concern since I handle sensitive borrower information.
How Can I Automate an Loan Origination Software Without API Access?
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I'm doing something similar at the moment (for several months now) for the company I work for. And to be honest, its a very tall, meticulous process. Aside from the laws, loans and plan rules, along with the careful handling of the PII — I hope you'll disclose to your clients and sponsors that you're using AI for the loan process if you plan on automating it. I know a lot of clients and vendors are extremely timid around AI in this area due to the high risk. To answer your question, you should write down all the steps for each process, and turn that process into a ICM workspace. Youll start to have several small workspaces, then you'll see where you can bind them together to make a more complete flow. Edit: one other thing. If you're looking to do browser automation, you can create a browser extension to grab the lending pad authentication token for your model to work within the pages. But this may go against lending pad terms and conditions and they probably have bot protection which would make your workspaces not as reliable and error prone. Just a heads up of something else you may run into.
How much freedom do you give the agent?
I have a few questions, and I would appreciate hearing how others handle this in their own systems. How much freedom do you give the agent to interpret the workflow? For example, do you prescribe the exact files, order of operations, and validation steps, or do you allow the agent to navigate the workspace and decide what applies? Where have you found that flexibility helpful, and where has it caused drift? My own instructions are fairly rigid, and I think they need to be. At the same time, I keep wondering whether one of the benefits of using a folder-based structure is that the system should not require every path and action to be spelled out so precisely each time. How do you decide what must be explicit and what the agent can safely infer from the structure?
1 like • 7d
Next to none. I don't want hardly any variance or options for the model to choose from to limit errors. I look at it as sending my model down a defined maze where another avenue in the maze won't limit the models ability, and still provides the outcome I expect (exit from the maze) vs putting the model in a room with 30 doors (or more) and it needs to decide what's behind each door.
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