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Puerto Rico LLC as US Estate Tax blocker
I've been looking into cheapest way to block US estate tax for non-residents and came across Puerto Rico LLC which is only slightly more expensive than US LLCs My findings: - It has PR corporate taxation by default but can elect pass-through (partnership-like) taxation even with single member (DE treatment status is only for PR-owned LLCs) - so if it's not engaged in trade or business in PR and doesn't have PR resident members it shouldn't be taxed in PR - Puerto Rico pass-through entity tax return instructions indicated that only entities engaged in trade or business in PR have to file that return and as far as I know there is no equivalent of form 5472/1120 - Under federal tax law PR LLC is foreign - IRC § 7701(a)(5) and corporation by default - Treas. Reg. § 301.7701-3(b)(2)(i)). - Changing tax status in PR doesn't change federal tax status causing hybrid entity mismatch - Stock in non-US corporation is not US situs asset under Treas. Reg. § 20.2105-1(f) I haven't been able to confirm not having to file PR tax return as it looks like this exemption only exists in instructions - https://hacienda.pr.gov/sites/default/files/documentos/inst_pass-through_entity_2022.pdf Anything I'm missing?
1 like • Aug 29
@Scott Letourneau These are not income tax definitions, definitions under IRC § 7701 explicitly apply to entire IRC : "(a)When used in this title, where not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible with the intent thereof—" Furthermore in 26 CFR § 20.0-1 "The term “United States”, as used in the estate tax regulations, includes only the States and the District of Columbia. The term also includes the Territories of Alaska and Hawaii prior to their admission as States."" and finally in Instructions for Form 706-NA there is: "Definitions The following definitions apply in these instructions. United States. The United States means the 50 states and the District of Columbia." We can go even further - under IRC § 2209 - natural residents of US possessions who die as US citizens and still possession residents at death are considered nonresident not a citizen of the United States - so they only have $60k exemption and if Puerto Rico situs assets were US-situs assets then Puerto Ricans would be really screwed by estate tax since most of their property is in PR. I've also found this article which aligns with my findings: https://kozlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/ILOexampleSpecific.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com "The term 'United States' when used in a geographical sense includes only the states and the District of Columbia. This means that corporations incorporated in the US Virgin Islands or Puerto Rico (two US territories) are not domestic corporations for estate tax purposes." If you have any materials or court cases to the contrary please share them
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@Scott Letourneau Thanks for the reply As for 1120-F/5472, I think US trade or business that would lead to ECI and especially real estate should be done with US C-Corp as intermediary I wouldn't actually rely on CTB election here, PR LLC does not even need to file form 8832, let me explain. Domestic LLC by default is not a corporation, it's either disregarded entity or partnership, but rules are different for foreign entities. Under 26 CFR § 301.7701-3(b)(2)(B) (Classification of eligible entities that do not file an election) -> (Foreign eligible entities) unless the entity elects otherwise, a foreign eligible entity is (B) An association if all members have limited liability; This clearly makes foreign LLC a corporation by default under 26 CFR § 301.7701-2 (b)(2), would it be more reliable as corporation if it was per se corporation as defined under 26 CFR § 301.7701-2 (b)(8)? Perhaps, but I don't think it would make much difference though, if anything IRS would be more likely to attack lack of substance than form itself here. I could also make here an argument to the contrary - since PR corporation requires more formalities than PR LLC it would be easier for IRS to attack corporation if corporate formalities weren't properly observed. Pierre v. Commissioner put emphasis on state law - so in this case it would be PR law which makes LLC an entity separate from its owners. Furthermore I'd say Pierre v. Commissioner would be further supportive here because it suggests that even if PR LLC would be classified as partnership or disregarded entity it would still be opaque for US estate tax - in that link it says "decision suggests that a nonresident alien could use a foreign disregarded entity to hold U.S. property and avoid U.S. gift and estate taxes on what would otherwise be taxable U.S. situs property." To sum it up - what I think would build up substance here to prevent IRS from saying that LLC was a sham would be following and properly documenting all PR corporate formalities required for LLC (and even going overboard). I would need to look deeper into it but I think PR LLC should also be able to issue stock-like membership units. I guess filling 1120-F could also be something supportive.
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Wyoming VS Nevada VS Delaware? Pros and Cons
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For Corp I like Ohio - I think it's only state in US that allows anonymous corporations and doesn't require annual report/fees
WY Annual report filing
Hi - need guidance if anyone else has done filed an Annual report in WY. The online form says - The form requires original signatures and must be submitted by mailing the document to our office. - whats the best way to "mail" with original signatures? Registered agent is charging a lot for this service. Any suggestions? Thanks
1 like • Aug 24
@P S It depends on purpose of that LLC, for operational LLC it probably doesn't matter, but for piggy bank LLC I'd avoid that
0 likes • Aug 27
@P S No idea, I haven't done this myself and process should be fully online through here https://wyobiz.wyo.gov/Business/ARWizard.aspx
C-Corp as partner of MMLLC with non-resident
I have single member LLC that I plan to convert to multi-member by adding C-Corp that I've created so I could shift some income to it that I could then cancel with deductions allowed by US rules which are not allowed in my country. Would having US C-Corp as a partner cause any real risk of MMLLC being considered engaged in US trade or business? I'm doing consulting from abroad for US client, C-Corp has no assets/people in US and I would still be manager of the LLC. C-Corp's role would be to basically act as EoR and give me deductible fringe benefits. My understanding is that as long C-Corp has no people working on behalf of MMLLC on US soil partnership won't become ETBUS
0 likes • Aug 11
@James Baker Thanks for reply! I'm also thinking about making C-Corp member of stock investing LLC and routing all dividend income to it so I wouldn't have to fill 1042-S and c-corp would get 50% DRD
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