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An Extremely Inconvenient Truth
Thereโ€™s an extremely inconvenient truth that people keep trying to dodge: Islam isnโ€™t merely a religionโ€”itโ€™s a violent, authoritarian socio-political system cosplaying as theology. And that shouldnโ€™t shock anyone once you look at its founder, Muhammad, whom Muslims are explicitly told is the perfect man and the ideal model for all time. This isnโ€™t coming from โ€œIslamophobesโ€ or Western critics. Everything below comes straight from Islamโ€™s own sources. ๐’๐ฅ๐š๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ-๐ข๐ง-๐‚๐ก๐ข๐ž๐Ÿ Muhammad didnโ€™t just tolerate slaveryโ€”he practiced it. Defeated men were killed; women and children were sold off like livestock. Moral clarity, 7th-century edition. ๐’๐š๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐œ ๐“๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž๐ซ When dealing with enemies, Muhammad didnโ€™t limit himself to simple executions. In one particularly charming example, he ordered captured men to have their hands and feet cut off, their eyes gouged out, and then left to die slowly in the desert sun, the Sahih Muslim spells it out: ๐‘‡โ„Ž๐‘’๐‘ฆ ๐‘ค๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘Ž๐‘ข๐‘”โ„Ž๐‘ก ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘œ๐‘ข๐‘”โ„Ž๐‘ก ๐‘ก๐‘œ โ„Ž๐‘–๐‘š (๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐ป๐‘œ๐‘™๐‘ฆ ๐‘ƒ๐‘Ÿ๐‘œ๐‘โ„Ž๐‘’๐‘ก). ๐ป๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘œ๐‘š๐‘š๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘Ž๐‘๐‘œ๐‘ข๐‘ก ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’๐‘š, ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ (๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘ข๐‘ ) ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’๐‘–๐‘Ÿ โ„Ž๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘๐‘  ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘“๐‘’๐‘’๐‘ก ๐‘ค๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘ข๐‘ก ๐‘œ๐‘“๐‘“ ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’๐‘–๐‘Ÿ ๐‘’๐‘ฆ๐‘’๐‘  ๐‘ค๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ ๐‘”๐‘œ๐‘ข๐‘”๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’๐‘› ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’๐‘ฆ ๐‘ค๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘Ÿ๐‘œ๐‘ค๐‘› ๐‘–๐‘› ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘ ๐‘ข๐‘›, ๐‘ข๐‘›๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘™ ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’๐‘ฆ ๐‘‘๐‘–๐‘’๐‘‘. (Sahih Muslim 4131 -this account is also confirmed by at least three other narrations). Apparently โ€œmercyโ€ had not yet been revealed. At Khaybar, when a town treasurer was suspected of hiding loot, Muhammad ordered him torturedโ€”literally burnedโ€”until he nearly died. Once sufficiently grilled, the man was beheaded: ๐‘Šโ„Ž๐‘’๐‘› โ„Ž๐‘’ [๐‘€๐‘ขโ„Ž๐‘Ž๐‘š๐‘š๐‘Ž๐‘‘] ๐‘Ž๐‘ ๐‘˜๐‘’๐‘‘ โ„Ž๐‘–๐‘š ๐‘Ž๐‘๐‘œ๐‘ข๐‘ก ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘ ๐‘ก โ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘“๐‘ข๐‘ ๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘ก๐‘œ ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘œ๐‘‘๐‘ข๐‘๐‘’ ๐‘–๐‘ก, ๐‘ ๐‘œ ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘Ž๐‘๐‘œ๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘™๐‘’ ๐‘”๐‘Ž๐‘ฃ๐‘’ ๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘  ๐‘ก๐‘œ ๐‘Ž๐‘™-๐‘๐‘ข๐‘๐‘Ž๐‘ฆ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘๐‘–๐‘› ๐‘Ž๐‘™-๐ด๐‘ค๐‘ค๐‘Ž๐‘š, โ€œ๐‘‡๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ๐‘ก๐‘ข๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ โ„Ž๐‘–๐‘š ๐‘ข๐‘›๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘™ ๐‘ฆ๐‘œ๐‘ข ๐‘’๐‘ฅ๐‘ก๐‘Ÿ๐‘Ž๐‘๐‘ก ๐‘คโ„Ž๐‘Ž๐‘ก โ„Ž๐‘’ โ„Ž๐‘Ž๐‘ .โ€ ๐‘†๐‘œ โ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘˜๐‘–๐‘›๐‘‘๐‘™๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘Ž ๐‘“๐‘–๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ ๐‘ค๐‘–๐‘กโ„Ž ๐‘“๐‘™๐‘–๐‘›๐‘ก ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘’๐‘™ ๐‘œ๐‘› โ„Ž๐‘–๐‘  ๐‘โ„Ž๐‘’๐‘ ๐‘ก ๐‘ข๐‘›๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘™ โ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘ค๐‘Ž๐‘  ๐‘›๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘Ÿ๐‘™๐‘ฆ ๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘‘. ๐‘‡โ„Ž๐‘’๐‘› ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘Ž๐‘๐‘œ๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘™๐‘’ ๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘™๐‘–๐‘ฃ๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘‘ โ„Ž๐‘–๐‘š ๐‘ก๐‘œ ๐‘€๐‘ขโ„Ž๐‘Ž๐‘š๐‘š๐‘Ž๐‘‘ ๐‘๐‘–๐‘› ๐‘€๐‘Ž๐‘ ๐‘™๐‘Ž๐‘š๐‘Ž ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ โ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘Ÿ๐‘ข๐‘๐‘˜ ๐‘œ๐‘“๐‘“ โ„Ž๐‘–๐‘  โ„Ž๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘‘.โ€ (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 764) - This story is also confirmed by Ibn Kathir, vol 3 p. 268. As a bonus horror story, Muhammad then โ€œmarriedโ€ the manโ€™s newly widowed wife the very same day. Romance, Islamic style.
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@Nordic Entrepreneur The context is in the first paragraph. Just as you can't understand Christianity, without Jesus Christ. Buddhism without Buddha, Confucianism without Confucius. You can't understand Islam if you don't understand who Muhammad was.
If Islam Is Violent, Why Are So Many Muslims Peaceful?
This question is a lot like asking, โ€œ๐˜๐˜ง ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜บ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ฉ๐˜ถ๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜บ, ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜จ๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ด, ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฌ, ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜บ ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜จ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ต, ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ต, ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ฆ?โ€ The answer in both cases is painfully obvious: in any religion or ideology, plenty of people profess the creed without actually practicing it. Hypocrites are everywhere. Letโ€™s be honestโ€”hypocrisy is the most ecumenical tradition on Earth. Itโ€™s often easier for a Christian to lash out, moralize, or sneer than to forgive. Likewise, itโ€™s far easier for a Muslim to live a normal lifeโ€”go to work, raise a family, mind their own businessโ€”than to strap on a suicide vest or answer a call to jihad. Most people, regardless of faith, prefer peace, comfort, and stability to martyrdom. Shocking, I know. Thereโ€™s also the issue of belief versus understanding. Many adherents of any religion donโ€™t deeply know their own theology. Islam adds an extra wrinkle here: the emphasis on reciting the Quran in Arabicโ€”often without comprehensionโ€”means that devotion can be more about ritual than understanding. The words and sounds are believed to matter spiritually, even if their meaning doesnโ€™t fully register with the reciter. As a result, many Muslims simply arenโ€™t engaging deeply with the more troubling or violent passages at all. Then thereโ€™s reality. Especially in the West, Muslims are surrounded byโ€”and often attracted toโ€”Western norms: individual liberty, relative tolerance, economic opportunity, and personal freedom. Thatโ€™s frequently why theyโ€™re here. People who flee authoritarian or theocratic societies generally arenโ€™t eager to recreate the same nightmare in their new home. Peaceful behavior, in that context, isnโ€™t mysteriousโ€”itโ€™s rational self-interest. But hereโ€™s where libertarians stop pretending this is just an abstract theology seminar. Ideas matter, and numbers matter. As Islam gains greater social and institutional presenceโ€”more adherents, more mosques, more โ€œcultural centers,โ€ more political deferenceโ€”the odds increase that some fraction of believers will start taking the faithโ€™s coercive and violent doctrines seriously. Not metaphorically. Not โ€œout of context.โ€ Literally.
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@Nordic Entrepreneur Islam is not merely a religion. It is a socio-political ideology with an embedded legal and governing system, and its historical and doctrinal foundations are inseparable from violence and coercion. That isnโ€™t conjectureโ€”itโ€™s baked into the source material. Full stop. That reality shouldnโ€™t shock anyone who has actually examined the life of its founder. Muhammad is not just a spiritual figure; he is presented within Islamic texts as a political ruler, military commander, lawgiver, and moral exemplar. His actions, rulings, and conduct are explicitly held up as a model for Muslims to emulate. Former Muslim and Islamic scholar Ali Sina summarized that record bluntlyโ€”based not on Western polemics, but on Islamโ€™s own canonical sources. His critique is harsh because the source material is harsh. Sina described his this way: "๐‘ด๐’–๐’‰๐’‚๐’Ž๐’Ž๐’‚๐’… ๐’Š๐’” ๐’‚ ๐’๐’‚๐’“๐’„๐’Š๐’”๐’”๐’Š๐’”๐’•, ๐’‚ [๐’Ž๐’๐’๐’†๐’”๐’•๐’†๐’“], ๐’‚ ๐’Ž๐’‚๐’”๐’” ๐’Ž๐’–๐’“๐’…๐’†๐’“๐’†๐’“, ๐’‚ ๐’•๐’†๐’“๐’“๐’๐’“๐’Š๐’”๐’•, ๐’‚ ๐’Ž๐’Š๐’”๐’๐’ˆ๐’š๐’๐’Š๐’”๐’•, ๐’‚ ๐’๐’†๐’„๐’‰๐’†๐’“, ๐’‚ ๐’„๐’–๐’๐’• ๐’๐’†๐’‚๐’…๐’†๐’“, ๐’‚ ๐’Ž๐’‚๐’…๐’Ž๐’‚๐’, ๐’‚ ๐’“๐’‚๐’‘๐’Š๐’”๐’•, ๐’‚ ๐’•๐’๐’“๐’•๐’–๐’“๐’†๐’“, ๐’‚๐’ ๐’‚๐’”๐’”๐’‚๐’”๐’”๐’Š๐’ ๐’‚๐’๐’… ๐’‚ ๐’๐’๐’๐’•๐’†๐’“." To put his money where his mouth is, Sina famously offered $50,000 to anyone who could refute his conclusions using Islamic texts aloneโ€”Qurโ€™an, Hadith, and accepted biographies. No spin. No apologetics. Just the sources. That challenge has stood for years. The money remains unclaimed. People can insist Islam is โ€œpeacefulโ€ all they wantโ€”but when doctrine, law, and historical precedent say otherwise, slogans donโ€™t override evidence. Ideologies should be judged by what they teach, command, and produceโ€”not by how uncomfortable that judgment makes their defenders. And if that standard feels unfair, remember: itโ€™s the same one applied to every ideology that demands power over others.
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@Far Seer lets talk about the Crusades because it provide a counter point. In Western academia, popular media, and much of the Islamic world, the Crusades are routinely portrayed as wars of naked aggressionโ€”bloody campaigns waged by fanatical Christians against an otherwise peaceful Muslim world. While the Crusades were undeniably brutal, this narrative is historically incomplete and fundamentally misleading. They are better understood not as an unprovoked Christian assault, but as a delayed Western response to centuries of Islamic jihad and territorial expansion. Muslim rule in the Holy Land began in the midโ€“7th century during the Arab conquests under the second โ€œrightly guidedโ€ caliph, Umar, following the capture of Damascus and Jerusalem. These conquests were violent, but after the initial jihad, Christian and Jewish communities were permitted to survive under the restrictive system of dhimmitude. While second-class status was imposed, Christians were generally allowed to continue pilgrimages to their holy sitesโ€”an arrangement that proved economically advantageous to the Muslim authorities. This fragile equilibrium began to collapse in the 11th century when control of the Holy Land passed from Arab rulers to Seljuk Turks amid internal Islamic civil wars. The Seljuks pursued a far more aggressive policy. Throughout the latter half of the century, they pushed violently into Byzantine territory, seizing Antioch and much of Anatolia. In 1071, the Byzantine army was decisively crushed at the Battle of Manzikert. The renewed jihad that followed brought widespread abuse, enslavement, robbery, and slaughter of Christians across Asia Minor and the Levant. Christian access to Jerusalem itselfโ€”particularly to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, rebuilt under Byzantine patronage after its destruction by Caliph al-Hakim in 1009โ€”was increasingly threatened. It was in this context that Pope Urban II issued his appeal in 1095, calling on Western Christians to aid their Eastern co-religionists. This call, framed as an โ€œarmed pilgrimage,โ€ was not originally conceived as a doctrine of Christian holy war. Only later did the idea of crusading evolve into a permanent institution with the emergence of military orders such as the Knights Templar. Notably, the most zealous Crusadersโ€”the Franksโ€”came from regions that had endured centuries of jihad and Muslim raiding along the Franco-Spanish frontier. They knew from lived experience what Islamic expansion entailed.
The Role of RKBA in Deterring Islamic Violence and Tyranny
Thereโ€™s an uncomfortable topic that many โ€œliberty-mindedโ€ discussion groups studiously avoid when talking about Islamโ€”not because it isnโ€™t relevant, but because it terrifies them. The moment you bring it up, the Left is standing by with the pre-written accusation: Islamophobic extremist, possibly armed, definitely dangerous. So the subject gets dodged. That subject is the Right to Keep and Bear Armsโ€”also known as the right to self-defense. In the United States, that right isnโ€™t some vague suggestion or hunting club perk. Itโ€™s explicitly protected by the Second Amendment: โ€œ๐ด ๐‘ค๐‘’๐‘™๐‘™ ๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘”๐‘ข๐‘™๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘€๐‘–๐‘™๐‘–๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘Ž, ๐‘๐‘’๐‘–๐‘›๐‘” ๐‘›๐‘’๐‘๐‘’๐‘ ๐‘ ๐‘Ž๐‘Ÿ๐‘ฆ ๐‘ก๐‘œ ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘ ๐‘’๐‘๐‘ข๐‘Ÿ๐‘–๐‘ก๐‘ฆ ๐‘œ๐‘“ ๐‘Ž ๐‘“๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘’ ๐‘†๐‘ก๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘’, ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘Ÿ๐‘–๐‘”โ„Ž๐‘ก ๐‘œ๐‘“ ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘’๐‘œ๐‘๐‘™๐‘’ ๐‘ก๐‘œ ๐‘˜๐‘’๐‘’๐‘ ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘Ÿ ๐ด๐‘Ÿ๐‘š๐‘ , ๐‘ โ„Ž๐‘Ž๐‘™๐‘™ ๐‘›๐‘œ๐‘ก ๐‘๐‘’ ๐‘–๐‘›๐‘“๐‘Ÿ๐‘–๐‘›๐‘”๐‘’๐‘‘.โ€ And before anyone pretends that means โ€œ๐’๐’๐’๐’š ๐’•๐’‰๐’† ๐’ˆ๐’๐’—๐’†๐’“๐’๐’Ž๐’†๐’๐’•,โ€ the Supreme Court already settled that argument. DC v. Heller (2008) and McDonald v. Chicago (2010) affirmed what the plain text already said: this is an individual right of the people. Under President Trump, and continued in many red states since, there has been a push toward Constitutional Carryโ€”meaning you donโ€™t need government permission to exercise a right you already have. My home state of Louisiana is now one of many that recognize this reality, much to the horror of Democrats and the taxpayer-disarmament lobby. And no, I donโ€™t call it โ€œgun control.โ€ Gun control is using both hands. What theyโ€™re advocating is taxpayer disarmamentโ€”selective, political, and usually enforced on the people least likely to abuse power. ๐—ช๐—ต๐˜† ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—ฆ๐—ฒ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐—”๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐—ฑ๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜ ๐—˜๐˜…๐—ถ๐˜€๐˜๐˜€ (๐—›๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜: ๐—œ๐˜โ€™๐˜€ ๐—ก๐—ผ๐˜ ๐—›๐˜‚๐—ป๐˜๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด) The Second Amendment serves three purposes. None of them involve deer season. 1. Defense of the United States The U.S. has roughly 330 million people. Over 100 million of them are armed. There are more than 300 million privately owned firearmsโ€”enough to arm every adult in the country. Add roughly 14 million hunting licenses issued annually, and you have a population that is not exactly helpless. For perspective: American hunters alone outnumber Chinaโ€™s active-duty military by about seven to one.
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@Francesco Dell'Anna Not exactly. Widespread firearm ownership reduces the likelihood of civil war, not increases it. Why? Because an armed citizenry hangs over government power like a Sword of Damocles. Itโ€™s a constant reminder that authority ultimately answers to the people. When citizens are armed, politicians know thereโ€™s a hard limit to how far they can push before consequences stop being theoretical. That reality encourages restraint far better than any strongly worded press release or ballot box promise. In short: an armed society isnโ€™t itching for rebellionโ€”itโ€™s insurance against tyranny. And like all good insurance, its real value is that you hope you never have to use it.
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@Francesco Dell'Anna I can see why someone might think thatโ€”if they ignore one rather inconvenient reality here in the U.S. Out of the 100+ million firearm owners in this country, well over 95% are Republican, libertarian, or at least conservative-adjacent. In other words, the people who own the guns are not the political Left. The folks pushing to gut constitutional protections are banking on the military to do their dirty work for themโ€ฆ against the very population thatโ€™s armed. Minor problem with that theory: most of the military votes Republican. Thereโ€™s a massive cognitive disconnect baked into leftist thinking here. First, the fantasy that โ€œhunting rifles are useless against a modern military,โ€ as if guerrilla warfare hasnโ€™t been the dominant model of resistance for the last century. Second, the equally magical belief that American service members will just shrug and obediently enforce whatever authoritarian nonsense comes out of D.C., no questions asked. History, voting data, and basic human nature all say otherwise. The Constitution wasnโ€™t written with the assumption that power would always be benevolentโ€”and the Second Amendment wasnโ€™t designed for duck season. It was designed as a reminder: government rules by consent, not forceโ€ฆ and it forgets that lesson at its own peril.
Sharia Courts & Demographic Takeover - America's Growing Problem with Political Islam
This is from the Glenn Beck Show https://www.glennbeck.com/radio/sharia-demographic-america-political-islam
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Chanukah Terrorist Attack in Australia
This is a pretty good article on the terrorist attack in Australia https://www.frontpagemag.com/a-chanukah-terrorist-attack-in-australia/ After reading it, it makes me even more pro-Right to Keep and Bear Arms. If even a few people at the celebration were armed, something that the Australian government makes extremely hard to do. The death toll would have been far smaller.
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Joseph Veca
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