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Progress Report 🙂
Hey everyone, I've been wondering how everyone's projects are coming along, so it's only fair to share my own progress with you. So, the PIE 6 and 7 have been my primary focus. The PIE 6 was only built to test the QBD (Quantified Backlash Drive) coupler, and was intended to be cannibalized when testing was done. The motors and electronics were removed and repurposed to create the newest version, the PIE 7. I now wish I had left the 6 in-tact for testing other ideas but that's the way it goes. The PIE 7 is virtually ready for the electricals to be installed, but I am really thinking the increased radius could be a problem, it may not want to come to speed properly. This got me thinking about the weights (masses) and the rectangular shape I made them. Rectangular weights were tried a long while back with relatively poor results, so I am considering rebuilding the way they are connected to the planet gear so they can be mounted 90 degrees from their current positioning. Work continues on my end, how about yours?
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Life still presently roadblock for me to progress to my more advanced experimental set up. I might yet hire an engineer/prototyper that works with small time entrepreneurs/tinkers out of Texas to build a setup for me under my instructions with an NDA to speed things up……
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Yes, quite true as a risk, I have foreseen that as a strong possibility, mainly why I’ve been hesitant in ‘pushing the button’ on that option…..
A Question of Shape
So I have a question for everyone. Have you experimented with the inertia of different shapes, with the same mass and moving straight lines (not curved)? Did you see a significant difference? Someone once said flat was better than square or spherical, can anyone shed some first hand knowledge light on that? I'd really like to hear your thoughts or hear about your experiences with shaped masses.
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I’ve only mainly had to be concerned with moments of inertia of rotating systems with my mad science experimentation. If you are contemplating what happens with mass in linear motion but of differing shapes, all I’d be concerned about is where the center of mass is located for that shape, and how kinematically the mechanism is interacting with it, ie, is the associated mechanism decelerating/accelerating directly in line of the C.O.M., and if not, then what kind of inertial torque induced stress am I now generating on the part(s). Again, I agree with Denny, the shape really is more of a concern of easing the manufacturing of the part, and then to just know where the center of mass is to work happily with Newtons equations.
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@Bryan StClair I think I see what you’re contemplating. Yeah, if you are pulling the mass back into rotation with a radius from previous linear motion, you are now dealing again with considering its moment of inertia, so mass shape may now be needed to consider coriolis effects. Analogy to your in-plane D plate in my mind could be a barbell placed in-plane out at a radius, it has a COM, but the two barbell masses each have different radii dependent on its in-plane orientation, affecting rotational accelerational resistance (coriolis effects).
The Pendulum Test
In the early days of space commercialization, Arthur Dula was recognized as the world's foremost authority on space law. (Of which there are now many). I talked to Art on the phone back in the '80's, in his alternative capacity as a patent attorney. He told me: "The test of an Inertia Prime Mover is that it will deflect a pendulum". This term 'pendulum' has been subjected to a significant amount of misconception and misunderstanding. Various builders on YouTube have demonstrated their devices with a so-called "pendulum test". Usually, the device is suspended on a tether, hanging straight down at the bottom, with the expectation that the 'plumb bob' will be pulled out to the side a little ways and stay there. Invariably, the device's momentum will add to its thrust, causing it to swing out further than its thrust alone would take it. This movement is directly in line with gravity's reverse acceleration. So, as the 'thruster' settles back to its effective deflection angle, this reverse movement couples with gravity, which changes its operation. (Just as a drawing on a piece of paper will change when the paper is moved). The result is that, even with a unidirectional thrust impulse, the suspension line still moves back past the straight down position. At this point, a laser spot, or some background reference line, is added, to convince the observers that the tether vibrates further on one side than the other. This test is neither convincing nor conclusive. Fundamentally, a plumb bob is NOT a pendulum. A pendulum is something which swings back and forth, while a plumb bob just hangs there. (An unsteady line will hang straight and plumb if it is bobbed up and down a few times; hence the name). To understand the true Pendulum Test, we must consider what happens the instant the pendulum reaches the highest point in its swing. (Or anywhere up to that point). Here, gravity is acting to move the swinging mass back towards the bottom. However, gravity has no sideways effect whatsoever on a mass which isn't at the bottom. Therefore, any amount of unidirectional thrust applied perpendicular to the swinging direction will change the pendulum's swing angle. If the applied thrust is not unidirectional, or missing altogether, the pendulum's swing will not be "deflected", remaining in its normal plane of movement.
1 like • Feb 10
To throw my two cents in on testing thrust, for my device, I just hang it off a long tension spring, as to where the device itself has rollers on each side of it that that stabilize and ride along the vertical test tracks, kinda like a guillotine. When energized, the reactionless impulses help counter the device’s weight and thus the now surplus tension raises the device in my “guillotine” test stand. The difference in spring tensions at differing elongations can be calibrated and marked as references along the side rails, denoting actual thrust. One thing to be aware of is that you have to recalibrate for the temperature, since spring tension given a certain length will change a little due to coefficient of expansion.
Welcome a New Member to The Workshop
I want to welcome Don Ballerini (@don-ballarini-5653) to the Workshop. Don, feel free to explore the workshop. You are freeto let us know what you are interested in. If you feel comfortable doing so you can also let us know what you have worked on, or what you still are working on building now.
1 like • Jan 31
Again, thank you! I've been garage experimenting with different inertial propulsion ideas for over the past 30 years, and currently have hit upon two ideas that show interesting promise. To be honest, the biggest hurdle lately is life itself, gotta go to work and support my family, so this is for now just a hobby. The dream for me is to develop my idea(s) into a flying radio-controlled antigrav model for the hobby industry and I'm on the fence right now on how much to divulge. The first idea involves the use of an oscillating, modified toy gyroscope, capable of 3/4 of a lb of inertial lift during experimental runs right now. The other idea involves the use of a Euler motion induced into a cone by an eccentric spinning mass that shows reactionless thrust in another one of my crude experimental setups. I've never published these ideas on You Tube, and frankly I'm getting kind of sick and tired of being alone with these ideas, so please have grace with me if I'm not quite open yet to discuss my designs in detail, especially without an NDA. With small talk among family and friends, nobody really understands my passion and what the hell I'm talking about for the most part. The question that irks me the most is, "what is a reactionless thrust good for?" With a degree in mechanical engineering, some basic machining experience, experience as a professional helicopter pilot and licensed aircraft mechanic, and experience toying around with RC helicopters for a good part of my life, I believe I have the capability to make this dream a practical reality. Again. surviving life is my enemy to take these ideas forward to the next steps. I'm seriously considering having components made up by a small family owned prototyping company until I can get my life back together after recently moving my elderly mother in to our home and that I can get my garage back into working order as a small machine shop again (The move put my garage into chaos).
0 likes • Jan 31
Sounds good Bryan, thank you. On the bright side, I did get a 3d printer for this last christmas from my wife and daughter to satisfy my obsession, so there is hope yet to pump out some prototype parts at some point in the not too distant future.
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Helicopter pilot, A&P mechanic, mechanical engineer, involved with research and experimentation with inertial propulsion for over 30 years.

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