I enjoyed listening to this episode and hearing you elaborate on the question. 😃 I agree with not finding labels helpful (other than using them as a way to find information), especially in creating identity. I wasn't familiar with the term "trauma lens" prior to hearing you talk about it in this episode. I've spent so many years trying to understand myself, and the term "emotional regulation" really helped me 14 years ago, when I first had children, to understand my overwhelm and reactions. Back then, not many people were using the terms "regulation" and "dysregulation" and "nervous system response," but I was able to find a lot of information about what I was experiencing and what my oldest child was experiencing through people who were talking about neurodiversity. It wasn't the label that was meaningful to me, but the information that was available via that lens. Those terms are much more commonplace now, but I still haven't heard very many people outside that space using those terms as foundationally as you do. So I was curious how you came to see people and horses in that way 😊 It's been really helpful for me to use that nervous system lens in my life as a parent, and now in my horse life too. It made total sense to me at the clinic when you explained your past military and emergency services experiences, and it was interesting that we could both come at it from different directions. Thanks for taking the time to share!