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Question for today
I will miss today's IBC because of a scheduled treatment on Base (Andrews Joint Airforce Base- Maryland). See you next week. My contribution for today is a question. At what point in the life cycle of a Specially Designed Whole Life policy does it become most efficient? My question is probably general because it is likely that each policy is impacted by many factors (age, initial contribution, PUA contribution. . . ). I would say looking at one of my illustrations that seven to eight years would be a good marker. Yes, I am assuming the policy owner requested that all dividends be used to purchase PUAs. Just my question for the community here. Next Week and I will be monitoring resonses.
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The policy becomes most efficient the day that you die, technically. Other than that, it is the most efficient when…you pay next year’s premium. And then the next year’s premium after that, and so on.
Pay Off Mortgage or Use Policy Loan?
I’d appreciate the group’s perspective on a financial decision my wife and I are considering. Our remaining mortgage balance is approximately $300,000 at 3.5% APR. Fortunately, our business has performed very well, and based on our current projections, we expect to have enough available capital by the end of this year to pay off the mortgage in full. However, we’re questioning whether simply paying off a 3.5% mortgage is the best use of $300,000, particularly if that capital could potentially be deployed elsewhere to generate a higher return. For additional context, we expect to remain in our current home for approximately 10–12 more years, but this will not be our retirement home. We are currently considering three Courses of Action (COAs): COA 1 – Pay Off the Mortgage - Use the $300,000 to pay off our existing 3.5% mortgage. - Own the home free and clear, but have a significant amount of capital/equity tied up in the property. - Free up approximately $2,000 per month in cash flow that could then be invested or used elsewhere. COA 2 – Policy Loan + Invest the Capital - Borrow approximately $300,000 from our whole-life policy at ~6%. - Use the policy loan to pay off the existing mortgage. - Keep the original $300,000 in cash available for investment. - Target an asset or investment capable of producing approximately a 10% annual return ($30,000). - Pay the approximately $18,000 annual policy-loan interest from our existing cash flow. - Apply the approximately $30,000 of investment income/returns toward reducing the policy-loan balance. Conceptually, we would essentially be replacing our traditional mortgage with a policy loan while keeping our $300,000 working in another asset. COA 3 – Policy Loan + Invest for Cash Flow - Borrow approximately $300,000 from our whole-life policy at ~6%. - Use the policy loan to pay off the existing mortgage. - Invest the original $300,000 elsewhere, again targeting approximately a 10% annual return ($30,000). - Use approximately $18,000 of the annual investment return to cover the policy-loan interest. - Retain the remaining approximately $12,000 per year as additional cash flow. - Allow the $300,000 policy-loan principal to remain outstanding. - When we eventually sell the home in approximately 10–12 years, use the proceeds from the sale to pay off the policy loan.
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I would like to suggest a possible fourth, long term, option as food for thought. Our goal here is “becoming your own banker.” You have a $300,000 debt, no matter how you slice it. Who would be the ideal owner of the debt, someone else’s bank, or your own banking system? From what I read, you don’t have a specific investment already planned for the $300k. COA 4: Pay off the mortgage with cash, but “play the game” as Nelson Nash said in the book. You’re not actually paying the mortgage off, but merely transferring the debt to your banking system. Then you must be an honest banker. One way you can accomplish this is by starting a new policy(ies) after paying off the mortgage. “Play the game” by paying your banking system the closing costs, fees, etc. upfront in the form of the first premium on this new policy, and then you have a place to put the freed up $2,000/month cash flow: $24,000 annual premiums. After 10-12 years, you could have somewhere near that $300k in cash value available in the new policy. This is a long term strategy (looking past the 12 year mark and beyond), and it is taking over the banking function in this specific area of your life: the mortgage. It might take 12 years to regain the $300k, but you’ll have new banking branch compounding during those 12 years. You will earn what your mortgage company would have earned from your mortgage payments. The goal would be to finish the entire loan schedule, but you have transferred the flow of money from going away from you to going toward you. This is probably the strategy I would do, but the caveat is I’m not a savvy investor or businessman. I just like capitalizing whole life policies.
My Mom and IUL…
My mom is meeting with a State Farm agent this morning to talk about converting her term policy into an IUL and invited me on ( I thought we were meeting to discuss whole life). I’m not all that familiar with IUL or variable mechanics. What questions should we be asking the agent?
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@Travis Fairbairn I’m too late to the party, but if you’re still dealing with this issue, here’s the question I like to ask: The company sells IUL products because they make the company money, right? Otherwise they wouldn’t sell them. Well who earns the profits from the IUL products? The owners of the company. Well that’s me and all of the whole life policy owners who earn dividends. You want high returns in the IUL, but I can go get those using my whole life policy. Secondly, IULs are merely, and literally, “buying term and investing the difference,” but with the added fees and complications of universal life instead of the simplicity of term.
Be on The Wealth Warehouse Podcast
Producer David here. After the live webinar I noticed there was a TON of comments from people that are using The Infinite Banking Concept in really cool ways. I thought I would ask on here if anyone has ever wanted to be on the show and share their story. If so, comment on here or send a DM with the specifics of, if you were on the show, what you would like to share that could add value to listeners. Chow.
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@Rebekah Waller I’m up for it.
Credit Unions VS IBC
I’m sure it’s common in the IBC footprint to see policy owners use credit unions instead of conventional banks for their checking/savings accounts. Has anyone done the research, or seen someone do the research, of comparing ownership of the banking function with a mutual life insurance company versus a credit union? I can foresee someone making an objection to IBC in that they “own” the banking function because they are a member of a credit union similarly to a mutual policy owner.
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@Rebekah Waller indeed. I like to consider the objections that others might have, especially the pay cash crowd. The objector might think and say, “I own the banking process because I’m a member/owner of my credit union. Why would I need to do both and pay interest to borrow my own money from a policy?” Ultimately, it reveals the ignorance of what IBC is, and of what we’re trying to seek ownership.
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Once you put money in the credit union account, it is no longer your money, it is the bank’s money. Once you pay premium, it is no longer your money, but it belongs to the company. The question is, what have you received in exchange for the money? For the credit union, you’ve received an interest bearing account. One use, no ownership of the banking function regardless of your membership status with the coop. By paying premium, you’ve received guaranteed death benefit, future tax free dividends from the DB thereof, and the right to access the company’s money up to the amount of your equity which exponentially increases. Multiple uses, ownership of the banking function and an asset.
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Nebraska native, pretending to be a Texan now. Husband and father, Christian, and lover of music, general relativity, and the infinite banking concept

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