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Do you use loops? 🔁
The loop hype is real! 📈 Curious what loops everyone here is running. Do you think it’s the latest overblown feature or has it truly changed the game for you? 📊 Poll: short and sweet, do you use loops❓
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Using the wider version of the loop as I’m learning @Don Roy. Posted the theory of the loop I’m putting into practice - link here to the post
For those struggling and getting stuck learning ICM
This came off the back of a comment with @Mira Bradshaw and seeing her experience in real time. Thank you for the inspiration, Mira, and April version of Mira too. I forgot to mention that @Don Roy - Do you use loops? 🔁 post, further compounded to me writing this post too. Attached is a visual representation of Kolb's Learning Cycle beside the Competency Ladder you climb (and slide back down) as you learn ICM. This demonstrates @Jake Van Clief's ethos of learning by doing, and in turn gaining competency. As Thomas Edison said: "Vision without execution is hallucination." You cannot theorise your way up the ladder, you climb each rung by doing the loop. So if you're finding this hard, awkward, or you're getting stuck: that's normal. It's meant to feel uncomfortable. The more you go through the cycle, the more you progress up the ladder, one rung at a time. I did try to render it in the post but no joy, so attached as image. Here is a link to a graphical representation. Personally I prefer the attached image layout.
For those struggling and getting stuck learning ICM
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@Mira Bradshaw that’s what I saw too, April Mira was also at unconscious competence, so much so you benefited from it and didn’t even realise until Opus pointed it out. Makes sense though, the ladder isn’t a straight climb. New learning phase, and you’re back near the bottom for a while.
Fable… let’s see if this works
My weekly limits roll over in about 9 hours. I have a bunch of Fable tokens left that I do not want to use. But I’m also at ~96% of my 5 hour usage window and I need to go to bed. Doesn’t reset for an hour. So, I did what anyone would do, I asked Fable what my options are. Apparently it has a timer. It has set one for 80 minutes and that will wake it so it can fire what we have queued up… I guess I’ll find out what does or doesn’t happen to that branch come morning…!!! Fable has immense confidence that all the results will be ready for me to review over a coffee… ☕️
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May the force be with you @Mira Bradshaw ⚔️
It’s the little things…
I am kicking off my weekly planning workflow for next week. At the start of last school holidays, this was a brand new system and I was just moving from a set of saved prompts and skills to ICM. (Hey, it’s been an 11 week term - in ICM time, that’s a few lifetimes!) So, to say I had a little bit of trepidation was an understatement. I have to say every week when I kick this stage off in desktop (I am currently on NotePlan - the connector only works on Desktop) it makes me happy to see Claude go in and say “this is a well-structured system”. Honestly, every week, and I still get the warm fuzzies. I’d done extra context set up and everything. And I knew I already had school holiday templates… Turns out Mira back in April had taken the time to put in a holiday mode to the system. Did I remember this? No, not at all. Did my system make sure that Claude had everything and it went smoothly? Of course it did. Honestly, thank you past me. I didn’t even remember the skill’s holiday mode and my *goodness* does that make my life easier for the next 3 weeks.
It’s the little things…
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How time stands still while you're deep in ICM, yet flies on the outside, @Mira Bradshaw. This line stood out: "Turns out Mira back in April had taken the time to put in a holiday mode to the system. Did I remember this?" That gave me the warm fuzzies, seeing a fellow ICM builder hit unconscious competence on Kolb's ladder without even clocking it. You've arrived. Thanks for sharing, that's what makes this community work.
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@Mira Bradshaw that feeling never gets old, and I think it's the signal worth paying attention to. Maybe not "thank goodness," but thank earlier Mira too. Easy to forget that part. On ICM time, here's what I marvel at, given how much moves under you, there's a point where you can't understand or even picture where you'll end up, until you're actually there.
Running ICM as a company's shared know-how — where the context tree is also the ISO-audited procedure manual
Most ICM setups I see here are single-operator: one person, one agent, one context tree that's basically externalized working memory. We're running it differently — as the shared know-how of a small engineering firm (~15 people: industrial automation, control-panel building, light EPC). That one shift, from personal to organizational, changes the whole problem. In a company, the context isn't just my memory — it's the procedures everyone has to follow, and procedures have to be governed, auditable, and improvable by people who will never open a terminal. Here's the core of what we've landed on. One markdown source, three readers. The ICM KB — plain markdown in GitHub — is at the same time: - the agent's operating context (what it reads to act: load costs into the ERP, build quotes, enforce the process); - the company's procedure manual, rendered into a navigable wiki — search, cross-links, the graph of how procedures interconnect — which is what employees actually read; - the ISO 9001 controlled-document system, because Git already is change control: versioned, attributed, diffed, immutable — stronger than the Word-on-a-shared-drive most small firms limp along with. No parallel copies, so nothing drifts. Git is the evidence vault; the wiki is the auditor's reading room. (Worth stating for this crowd: ISO 9001 mandates control — identification, approval, versioning, availability of the current version — it mandates no specific format. A git-backed static site clears that bar cleanly.) The agent is the abstraction layer — this is what makes it survive in a company of non-technical people. Nobody learns markdown, Git, or pull requests. They talk. The agent enforces the current procedure while they work; and when someone says "step 3 is wrong, we do Z now," it turns that into a proposed change to the controlled document. The quality lead gets a plain-language summary and approves or rejects. Proposing is frictionless and open to everyone; approving is a controlled human gate. The Git/PR machinery stays invisible underneath.
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@Pedro Costa have you considered SharePoint as an option for the Microsoft setups? SharePoint has version control built into document libraries, so you get approval workflows, access control, and an audit trail without bolting anything on. The bit that solves your file explorer gap. SharePoint libraries sync to desktop via the OneDrive client, so people still just open files the way they always have. Nothing changes operationally, but now you've got a gate and a history behind it. If your clients are already on M365 the infrastructure's already there. Worth a look.
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@Pedro Costa curious what’s actually causing the friction on your end. Could be check-out being enforced, older file formats, or running on-prem SharePoint rather than SharePoint Online. What’s your setup looking like?
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